Back to back working positions

[Jetlagged]

Can anyone clarify a point for me??

This is the scenario - Second half of a back to back. I am purser in First (hurrah) or I was on the first half. 2 of the pursers are only doing the first half. On the second half, in the briefing, the CSD does a new breifing with working positions and all - I am now the most junior - and get the crapola Club position!!

I have heard many conflicting versions on what is the correct procedure. I thought that those on the first half kept their positions and the joiners just fitted in as and where.
Anyone know for certain what the correct procedure is? Was I right to moan or should I have just put up with it??? images/icons/confused.gif

[mush]

more to do with the CSD on the day...to avoid controversy....with a new briefing with new crew ....new choice of positions are given....

[sussexboy]

No idea about LHR, but here at LGW we stay where we are if it's same a/c type & same crew....some CSDs ask if we want to change...normally not. However if the B2B is say half 767 half 777 we would change as the crew has gone from 9 to 13....occasionally the CSD may ask if us Psrs want to stay where we are with only the position numbers changing, although if there are other Psrs joining we would also go through the list again.

[aussieBAboy]

Never in all my flying time has the CSD redone positions on a b2b. At LGW they do a whole new briefing and it can be good if you want to change and get away from the awful purser you are working with (joke)! But at LHR the joining crew just take the positions that have been left vacant from the crew that were lost. Was this a CSD that has come up from LGW and they are doing it 'their way'. Cant they just keep the working criteria that we have at LHR and forget abot LGW practises. What is the union stance on this? Is it not that although you are back at LON you are not actually returned to base as such, thats why we dont pay in bar money and continue on the trip. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[Jetlagged]

Thanks AussieBAboy, they were my thoughts exactly. No, the CSD was not from LGW, just trying to accommodate his friends (methinks) who were joining us. Don't know what the union stance is as there was no one in the office.....

[brit_air_guy]

I always ask crew if they would like to change positions on a B2B and if PSRs join the crew the positions are done on seniority, I dont know if these are the rules but I do it out of courtesy and respect......

[aussieBAboy]

Sorry but I totally disagree with you redoing working positions because of seniority. Anybody joining a crew on a b2b understand that positions are already filled and you just fill in where needed. While I can see you are from LGW what would you do if the trip was doing several sectors and then a purser joined that was senior, would you reorganise your whole crew because of one purser and their seniority? Hopefully you already have a whole crew who are working well as a team and then your going to maybe upset a whole crew by redoing working positions due to seniority? Its not respect for the rest of your crew is it? images/icons/confused.gif

[mush]

again if it is only ONE new crew member joining the original crew ....no change...more than ONE....new briefing & positions,,

[brit_air_guy]

You seem to think I tell the crew to change positions I do not,as for multi sectors it is normally a main crew member joining and yes they fill the vacant position.As for PSRs we operate a IAH from LGW one way on a 744 the other on 777,I am required as a CSD to complete a new briefing as there is a change of AC and number of crew

[Jetlagged]

..so why do Answers produce a matrix of working positions to transfer to, when changing from 747 to 777 and vice versa????

Even Bassa don't have a definitive answer to this one. Don't you just love a grey area!! images/icons/confused.gif

[Jetlagged]

Oh Mush.... that's like saying there's no grey area if you let British Airways decide your agreement!!!

Hope you're not a CSD and if so, I hope I'm not on a B2B with you. There's no quicker way of getting a crew's back up than imposing a totalitarian regime.

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[mush]

only a stupid CSD would force people to work in an unwanted position.....what ever they do it is not fair so (IMHO) the best course of action would be to re-brief and go by seniority.....(unless only 1 crew is joining )
p.s. I know that historically because of seniority crews chose their positions .....unfortunately only because no one can be bothered to change the rules it doesn t mean "the rule is right"

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[mush]

no grey area if you let the CSD decide on the day...