European Airlines of the future

[jetstar]

From BBC news:
Euro airlines 'must merge' to survive
The chief executive of British Airways, Rod Eddington, has told the BBC that he expects dramatic consolidation in the European airline sector.
"I think there will be three major international carriers in Europe," said Mr Eddington on the BBC's Breakfast with Frost, indicating a radical reduction from the 15 or so that exist now.
And he agreed with last week's comments from the chief executive of Germany's Lufthansa who said that it was likely that only British Airways, Air France and Lufthansa would survive as major players.
Speaking in his first live interview since taking on the job one year ago, Mr Eddington also confirmed press reports that BA has re-opened talks with the Dutch carrier KLM and that it was seeking an alliance with American Airlines.
Consolidation not cash
Mr Eddington was also keen to stress that the government must allow the consolidation to go ahead, rather than simply doling out cash to the stricken airlines.
"We want and believe that European aviation has to consolidate and we want the British government to work with the people in Brussels, to make sure that happens in a sensible and logical way," he said.
"We are talking to KLM, we are talking to other carriers...to see if there are ways we can work together more closely," he said.
And in regards to a tie-up with American Airlines, Mr Eddington said he hoped the government would be able to deliver an anti-trust immunity before the end of the year.
No hand-outs
The airline chief said that he had asked Prime Minister Tony Blair for support in meeting the additional costs of insurance and security.
But he stressed that he did not want the government to hand out more money to the airlines.
"We want to make sure our government provides a level playing field so that we can compete globally, but we are not looking for the government to bail us out," he said.

But American airlines have already received $16bn (£11.2bn; 17.8bn euros) in state aid, making it hard to see how European airlines could compete without similar financial rescue packages.
Belt tightening
British Airways has already cut 7,000 jobs, but a further reduction in the workforce cannot be ruled out.
"We will survive, but we're going to have to change the way we run our business...we are going to have to tighten our belts - we've begun that process already, there may well be more things we have to do," he said, adding that the necessary steps would become clearer over the next few months.
But he did say that BA would not be pulling out of Gatwick as a cost-saving measure.
And he said that he hoped that he would not have to sell BA's property portfolio in order to raise cash, but admitted that there might be no alternative.
British Airways lost £48m in the week immediately after the 11 September terrorist attacks.
But the real damage to business has come from a decline of over 30% of air travel to North America and the Middle East since then.
Mr Eddington added that the fall-off is worse than during the Gulf War, and said that no one was sure when North American customers would regain their confidence in flying.

[fly777]

So is that why we at BA were voted best cabin crew in the world ? yes we are going through a tough time at the moment but we will come back stronger and leaner and before you get too cocky remember Air Europe !

FLY777, get your head out of the clouds.
go is completely different to AE, don't compare us.
You set us up, I'll grant you that but how dare you call GO/OG staff cocky.
I've flown BA many times out of LHR/NCL/BHX and you're staff and service is v. poor
So ... who the hell voted you with best FA's. Maybe I should reposition to BA if you weren't going into bankruptcy soon. GOOD LUCK RYANAIR!

[Katie]

I like BA! I have found cabin crew on flights to be polite, friendly and good at their jobs! I would rather go scheduled than go low-cost! images/icons/smile.gif

KT

[euroboy]

jordi

Why the hell do you want Ryan Air to be successful when you work for GO?
They compete in your segment of the market, and offer fares lower than both GO and EasyJet at times.
Seems a bit of a silly comment on your part.

Aviation experts are saying that Low-Cost airlines are doing well in the present climate. However, in the UK and Europe we have a glut of them, and they are wondering if the market will be able to substain the number of low-cost carriers. MetroJet has been closed down by the parent company and there aircraft have been parked up in the desert.
Low-Cost airlines are effected in the same way as full cost majors. Fuel, airport charges. They work on quick turnround times, which when you get a delay you spend the day playing catch up.
At the moment, airlines need CASH. The cash flow must not stop, hence why fares are so low. At the end of the day do you really think Ryan Air made profile on my flight to Dinard at 4p return plus tax? Its a marketing ploy to get people flying again, and to use there services. The whole aircraft was not sold at 2p a seat, just a few of the seats.
Paxs have their fav. airline, say a LHR-GLA flight gets cancelled, and paxs transfer to the other airline. When at bmi some paxs who usually fly BA would complain that on BA they got XYZ, and BA the bmi paxs say on bmi they get ABC.

The comments regarding Air Europe. More aimed at EasyJet and Ryan Air. AE ordered new aircraft in large qualities. They expanded too quickly, and needed to market to stay good. They could ill afford a dip in paxs demand, or lowering fares. Remember this was in days of the YUPEE, and champagne was drunk down the pub Friday night after a hard week in the city. Air Europe ran out of cash. They were a credit airline.
With regards to your comment on BA, thank you for your feedback.
But just out of interest, when BA start recruiting again will you be the first banging on the front door? images/icons/tongue.gif

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[exBEKL2B]

Service on BA poor?????
NO, I am not a BA cabin attendant, but I did fly BA lot's of times,Eurofleet,Worldwide.
I have to admit, when it comes to service and cabin crew, BA is the best in Europe.
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GO and RYANAIR rarely compete against each other. when i say go to RYANAIR, i am regarding there recent order for 150 aircraft.
We fly to major airport unlike RYANAIR at some airport 50 miles away!
No i won't be the 1st banging on BAs door.
I flew them in June 2000, and a friend of mine uses them from BHX - Europe.
They throw you a sandwich and the odd drink, they call this the DELI Service.
That probably cost £250 to Munich, when its about £50 on go, for almost identical service.
I am sure their worldwide service may be better, but go has been voted best low fares airline in Europe! So what now have you to say? graemlins/pilot_smilie.gif graemlins/pilot2_smilie.gif graemlins/plane_smilie.gif images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Go is the No.1 low fares airline.
We are doing very well since BA left us alone and are adding new routes all the time, so I slightly understand why you talked about AE.
Like Ryanair and easyJet we are expaning v. quickly.
You may have read we are looking to purchase up to 50 new or secondhand planes. well that's the rumour goin' on at go. This will allow us to replace our 20 -300 series and expand, a bit more rapidly. but unlike AE we have the market to do so. images/icons/shocked.gif

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[euroboy]

RYANAIR GO are in the same idea as low cost although fly to secondary airports they still advertise as low cost airline to destinations similar to your own.

An order for 100`s of aircraft does NOT mean they are doing well. Ref: Air Europe.
The more a/c you have the more difficult it becomes to run. Anyway, some that order for new 737`s is to replace some very tired 737-200`s.
Sometimes BA and the likes of do beat the low cost carriers at there own games. Plus the paxs, it looked after if things go wrong. Ref: RyanAir 2 day delays at 2nd Brussels airport due to fog. Paxs slept on seats, floor at terminal.
As for being voted Best Low Cost airline...So was Debonair....WHO?
Wishing you many happy days at GO

[ 01-26-2002: Message edited by: euroboy ]</p>

Yes Glasgow and a few in France and Italy but they use airports a hell of a long way from the city itself.
We on the other hand fly to the same big airports like BA and the other majors yet still manage to charge a significant price less.
May I ask Euroboy who you work for?
Your points make you sound like you work for one of the majors or one of my competitors.
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[exBEKL2B]

The price cut that Go can make is probably for inflight service + paycheck for crewmembers, look at what cabin crew earns at Ryanair, NOT a lot.
Plus the fact that there is probably no pitch in between two rows, that's the difference with major carriers.

exBEAA2B
I know that airlines like RYANAIR offer an average seat pitch of just 29" but ours is 31". That's roughly the same as most major carriers.
Yes our fares are lower because we have quick turnarounds and offer a no-frills onboard service and our average salary is £17k a year, so its not too bad. And senior staff after a years flying is £20-25k.
So we have a nice and happy work force thank you!

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[Katie]

another thing-cabin crew at BA etc have better uniforms designed by actual designers rather than being handed uniforms in S,M or L out of plastic bin-bags as seen when Easyjet handed out their orange blouses and skirts trousers to new recruits on Airline.

The cabin crew at BA and Virgin who I have flown with recently have been highly trained and good at their jobs!

Don't be stupid KT, go don't go on longhauls
This proves how good we at go are:-
Date of Entry
Monday 05th of November, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
No
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
10
Delay marks (out of 10)
10
Comfort marks (out of 10)
10
Value marks (out of 10)
10
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
Great service from GO with better seat pitch than BA and much more professional cabin crew than the dreadful(third world) BMI.

Particularly impressed with one attendant who spent twenty minutes cleaning up a passenger's vomit and then finished her service duties on this forty minute flight. The last time I flew BA the cabin crew ignored the vomit and left the passengers to live with the smell on a ten hour flight.

No obnoxious curtains, no retarded seats that fold into two. Why on earth would someone pay to be treated with the contempt that curtains on other airlines signify ?

Stansted is the BEST airport in the London region. Even if you leave near Heathrow it's worth travelling to Stansted to avoid the usual one/two hour delays at LHR (it's really a car park with a shopping centre attached).

Early to depart and arrive on both legs.

GO aren't really that "low cost", but sometimes their specials are very good.

Have just got a return flight to Venice with them for £30, so will be flying with them soon again
Date of Entry
Wednesday 19th of December, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
No
Frequent Flyer?
Don't Know
Service marks (out of 10)
10
Delay marks (out of 10)
10
Comfort marks (out of 10)
10
Value marks (out of 10)
10
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
Chose to fly with Go-fly to London as it was cheaper than the train. 37 pounds return.

Left NCL 12 days before and was heading back after a visit to Lanzarote with Airtours from Luton (see seperate review).

Got to Stansted at 5am, checked in without a queue, got a seat in 7A. Had breakfast in departures which was not pleasant at all.

Boarded us in excellent fashion, given a very brief safety demo and we took off almost immediately after.

It was dark and the Captain took the time to point out what exactly the twinkling lights below us were. For such a short flight the crew should really just stay seated, but they instead offer a variety of products to ease early morning stomachs. I did decline these.

There were 4 crew on a plane carrying around 95 people and they were very good crew considering the time of day. We made a lovely low pass over the Tyne and I could also make out the Royal Quays shopping outlet, unremarkable landing and prompt deplaning soon followed. Picked up at the door by waiting relatives. Time from plane to car, 15 minutes.

Was excellent all round, beats GNER any day. BA, offer us LHR or LGW and for what - 100 or so more, WHY? Move over BA.
But there is the odd 1 complaint:
Date of Entry
Tuesday 20th of November, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
No
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
10
Delay marks (out of 10)
10
Comfort marks (out of 10)
5
Value marks (out of 10)
8
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
I have flown this airline a couple of times now, and am always impressed with the low fares if booked early enough, excellent punctuality and friendly service. I would recommend booking in advance to take advantage of the low fares, as short notice won’t give you a competitive price. However my Christmas fare is cheaper on British European.

The planes feel old and the seats are way too small. But overall, little hassle, and excellent staff make this an airline I would fly again.

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[Katie]

er yes, BUT they are just 2 reviews-if you want to play that game fine.

Date of Entry
Wednesday 17th of January, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
World Traveller
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
10
Delay marks (out of 10)
10
Comfort marks (out of 10)
10
Value marks (out of 10)
10
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
What a great flight!! The 777 is the best aircraft I have ever seen. Seatback TV's, so we don't have to watch what everyone else wants to watch. Great meal: Chicken Tilka with rice.

Nice crew and the cockpit is very nice...

Well done British Airways.

just ONE of MANY great BA reports. If you go to Skytrax please note that Go has 3 stars and BA has 4 stars.

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[Katie]

another BA review

Date of Entry
Wednesday 22nd of August, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
No
Service marks (out of 10)
8
Delay marks (out of 10)
10
Comfort marks (out of 10)
8
Value marks (out of 10)
10
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
Trawling the net for low cost air fares, Ryanair's and Go's flights were in fact costlier for the same period. You get a meal and beverages and leather seats(!) on a 737-400 all for £109 inc tax - wow!

Added to this, the flight was 20 minutes early in arriving (OK, it was Saturday at 22:00) but amazingly 15 minutes early back on a midweek flight.

Keep it up BA... thankfully, even though prices are down the service is always much better than those rough Ryanair folk (sorry, it's true, as I have had many run-ins with the latter's bus service!).

You can't compare a BA long-haul to a short-haul service, we do not fly longhauls.
The other one depends on how or when he booked. Lots of our flights are quite cheap.
So why not read this review:
http://www.carsurvey.org/air/review_2050.html
Date of Entry
Thursday 01st of November, 2001
Return Ticket?
No
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
No
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
7
Delay marks (out of 10)
10
Comfort marks (out of 10)
8
Value marks (out of 10)
7
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
Boarded promptly, seat 2C at the front of this RJ-100 AvroJet G-CFAA (updated BAe146). Leather seat, but part of three seats where the window and aisle seats are very narrow and the centre seat (2B) affords more width. Club Europe convertible seats I would imagine.

Early morning flight 0630 departure, so you would have though a relaxed mood should have prevailed.
Wrong - overhead lockers SLAM!, Galley carts - SLAM!, Cart doors SLAM! Cabin lights full on after take off.

Hot breakfast served on this very rushed 52 minute flight (bland and not particularly generous entree - grilled tomato segment, small omelette segment, one sausage and a very greasy hash brown. Roll and Jam plus 2 lots of tea and coffee).

Overall crew rushed and banged about and the flight did not have a particularly relaxed feel which one would expect at that time of day. Probably better further away from the galley.

Arrived 10 mins ahead of schedule at 0740, coached from a remote parking stand to the North Terminal which in itself took 10-15 minutes.

Not a bad service, but could do better.

Another BA Review images/icons/grin.gif ate of Entry
Wednesday 13th of September, 2000
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Business
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
8
Delay marks (out of 10)
7
Comfort marks (out of 10)
6
Value marks (out of 10)
6
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
Predictable Biz class European flight from BA.

Flight attendants pleasant but when will they change their amazingly outdated, unflattering uniforms?

Both flights were 15 minutes late arriving.

And a balanced average GO review
Date of Entry
Tuesday 15th of January, 2002
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
9
Delay marks (out of 10)
8
Comfort marks (out of 10)
7
Value marks (out of 10)
9
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
Flight outward left exactly on time and arrived at Alicante 10 minutes early. The efficient baggage handlers there meant we were on our way out of the airport within five minutes of our scheduled arrival time. On the return flight we were about 20 minutes late at both ends.

My seat on the outward flight was probably the most cramped that I have ever experienced on any airline and I could not even put a newspaper in the seat pocket as it meant the edge of the seat pocket was digging into my knee. However, perhaps I was just unlucky in that particular seat as I had sufficient room on the way back.

The FAs were friendly and helpful and the captain on the return flight was very informative, even giving us a brief explanation of the cause of the turbulence we experienced for part of the flight!
Food is not included on GO flights, but is available at a fairly reasonable cost.
Overall, a cheap and agreeable way to travel to the Costa Blanca and I will use them again

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[Katie]

Well *nothing* will change my mind.

I love BA and Virgin! images/icons/smile.gif images/icons/smile.gif images/icons/smile.gif

KT

Virgin are OK, but why the hell you like BA, I have no idea.
They are a huge rip=off.
So you are a Wannabe stewardess. Who do you want to work for?
GO are recruiting, and we have a great brand and uniforms regarding your bin bag comment
You can't paste the picture into this but this is the review from http://www.wolff-olins.com/go.htm
If yyou go to that site now you'll see our stylish uniforms and exteriors:

A simple and direct brand which helped British Airways muscle into the highly competitive low-cost airline market, Go brought a return of £100 million on a £25 million investment in only three years.

Just go
Go was born when growth in budget European airlines prompted British Airways to start its own low-cost, no frills operator. Wolff Olins developed the strategy, name and brand for the new company.

With 24 European destinations, and up to eight flights a day, Go has exceeded its plans for both routes and passengers. 92% of Go customers recommend the airline to friends, family and colleagues.

When, in June 2001, British Airways sold the airline to 3i, it brought a return of £100 million on a £25 million investment in only three years. At that time, Go showed a pre-tax profit of £4 million, having broken even in three years, one year less than expected.

Low end but chic
In under two years in the mid 90s the market share of budget airlines grew from nothing to 5%. No frills operators based in the UK and Ireland built businesses proving that a formula based on low costs and no extras could work. These included names such as Easyjet, Ryanair, Virgin Express and Debonair.

Recognising the potential of this market, British Airways decided to set up a business to compete with the budget operators. The new airline would be a separate company with its own name, identity, management and employees. Go was based on a proposition that was basic but fun. In place of the corporate and national dignity common to high-end airlines, Go was to have the chic retail appeal of a high street innovator.

Low cost but not down-market
Wolff Olins was appointed to create the name and identity for the airline in association with HHCL, a leading UK advertising agency. They determined the elements that would communicate the personality and values needed to enter the market in line with their strategic advice.

The new airline’s name and brand reflect its objectives and values – to save travellers time and money so that they can just ‘Go’ wherever they want, without fuss or bother. The brand is fresh, simple and direct but not crudely cost-conscious or downmarket like some of its competitors.

Budget airlines need to inspire confidence and enthusiasm to a higher degree even than high-end airlines. Other factors that were kept in mind were that the name should be pronounceable and understood throughout Europe and that it should encapsulate the attitude of economy and should emphasise the company’s core offer through clear, unfussy typography.

Like Orange and First Direct before it, Go is another Wolff Olins brand that has transformed its market, forcing a higher quality customer offer onto a complacent and poorly differentiated sector.

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[Katie]

My main choice of airline would be BA, Virgin or bmi. But any airline would be great just so long as I could be cabin crew! images/icons/smile.gif

KT

[mush]

you cannot compare GO & BA....it is like comparing Burger King and Le Caprice....they serve a different market and they both can make a successd of it...
GO is cheap and efficient with very limited facilities...with underpaid staff and a very fragile success strategy....more competition ...less passengers and nothing left to cut...
BA offers perhaps too many facilities i.e lounges-huge network-acceptable fair wages-back up equip...etc etc...as long as passengers are prepared to do with or without the different facilities etc etc ...there is space for both markets

I agree with mush, you can't compare BA with Go.
We do serve 2 different markets.
Our staff are paid at a decent level, so I would have to disagree with the under-paid thing.
We provide a decent onboard service which can be compared to BA's shorthaul service, and for the value we offer I must say we do better than BA.
Look at this:
Date of Entry
Tuesday 30th of January, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
10
Delay marks (out of 10)
9
Comfort marks (out of 10)
8
Value marks (out of 10)
10
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
Again and again Go continue to provide an excellent punctual and cheap way of flying around Europe..

10 delay on departure, due to a completly full flight... Service is excellent, and on board food better than BA economy, even though you have to pay for it.
Prague for £90 is a bargain, especially considering £20 is just government tax.
Beats BA/CSA hands down on service and punctuality
Doesn't this show you, how we compare.


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[Katie]

It depends on what pax comments/surveys you look out etc! ciao images/icons/smile.gif

KT

I agree KT
It does depend on who you interview.
I must e-mail you.
So are you thinking about joining go now?
Anyone else got comments about low fare airlines
FLY777 has shut up!
And we don't know what happened to EUROBOY.
I'm going to MAD/BCN 2morrow.

[fly777]

Dear Jordi

We were voted best cabin crew by Business Traveller Magazine, now whatever your view of that is, well thats up to you.

I have flown on Go a number of times and in all honesty I think they are excellent and certainly good value for money, but then again I am not slaging your airline off, as you seem fit to do on this, which correct me if I,m wrong is a BA forum.

As for the staff at Go or Ryanair being cocky, well the crew I have met at Go have always been charming and very good but then I haven,t had the pleasure of meeting you !

The greatest love of my job is meeting people not only from my airline but other staff from various other companies and there is a genuine comarardie amongst all airline staff, you are in a minority with your bitter attitude, which is a shame

[747_Trolly_Dolly]

I am fully behind you fly777 - I admire the fact that you have your facts straight and don't mince your words... images/icons/smile.gif I am all for you xxx

[Katie]

have a look a http://www.epinions.com/trvl-Transportation-Airlines-All which tells you what pax think of individual airlines. and http://www.carsurvey.org/air/index.html

I seem to recall that BA has a 4 star average which means good but Virgin is 4.5 stars! Ryanair has 2.5 stars and is 50% recommended. Also try http://www.airlinequality.com/index.htm

There's nothing wrong with low-cost airlines-you get what you pay for but they don't fly from LHR and so aren't that convenient for me. Also, as if I would go long-haul on a no-frills airline IF THEY DID THEM OR ARE GOING TO DO THEM images/icons/shocked.gif Can you imagine, hours with little legroom and cold food you must pay for. and no mini-tv's! what would the cabin crew do all that time? For me it's premium economy all the way! images/icons/smile.gif

KT

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[ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: Katie ]</p>

I am sure a number of your F/As are very pleasant.
I work for GO and am very pleasant to.
I am not bitter. What do you think I'm bitter about?
You at BA have been ripping people off for long enough!!!
All I'm saying in this is that BA service and passenger loads are deteriorating and this is probably due to poor onboard service.
People are leaving BA in droves, to fly on airlines with cheaper fares and better service
So look for me next time you fly, with GO.
You'll be able to fly more that way because we don't rip our pax off. Unlike some airlines...

[ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

And to miss 747Trolley Dolly.
You should be sticking up for the BA underdogs.
You work for VIRGIN.
Mr. Branson would be ashamed, to hear you stick up for BA and its crews.
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[Katie]

Thats out of line! Why would Richard Branson be ashamed? 747 Trolley Dolly is right to stick up for Fly777. If you haven't noticed cabin crew are meant to be friendly and all round *nice* people!

Is Trolley Dolly going to get sacked for sticking up for a fellow cabin crew member. As if!

Cabin crew do the same job and take the same crap just for different airlines and in different uniforms.

BA UNDERDOGS????

PLEASE!
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KT

[Katie]

And *I* and many others are not leaving BA. Or Virgin for that matter. Oh and you said Virgin are OK but then you go on about how would wouldn't mind working for them etc in the Virgin forum!

KT

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[mush]

if GO was in BAs position it would have charged probably even more....you charge what the market is prepared to pay.....if passengers decide that having lounges-special services-frequent flyer scheme-different classes and flexibility-frequency-etc etc is not what they are prepared to pay and opt for a cheap and cheerfull airservice provided by low pay staff.....etc etc it is up to the airline to change the strategy/prices etc etc...to provide good value for money and a decent share holder value.....

Unfortunately a sandwich taste on an aircraft is not the only thing you use to value service and value for money....
Why people buy BMW?? It takes to your destination no faster than a FIAT...but for twice the price...

I admire your commitment to your Company....and at the same time your Company (GO) have been very successfull in trying to brainwash its workforce and the travelling public that IT IS good value for money....when most of the time IT IS NOT true....you can fly in confort on any BA route VERY often for the same price or less than GO or any other cheapandcheerfull joint...

BAs short haul used to be indispensable in feeding pax to long haul services....now things have changed ....it is up to BA what strategy is going to choose with regard to the short haul operation....for your sake I hope it won t be the CHEAP and cheerful strategy or the likes of GO...RY...Easy...could find out what messing about with fake value for money and messing with the BIG boys ...the hard way....

GO is generally a value for money carrier.
We provide a good Value for Money service.
I understand MUSH's point about the BMW.
But its true, you do pay extra for the so-called better service.
But BA iasn't better value on shorthauls.
I feel I'm repeating myself but, this new DELI sandwich service is pathetic, on a 1hour flight you don't need the extras. So BA aren't giving you them like a meal, they're giving you, a sandwich, in a paper bag, and what for an extra £100-200.
Yes, sometimes go has expensive flights. But its the same as easyjet or ryanair, you need to book early or search for the low fares.
I'm a very pleasant FA.
I enjoy my job and do it well and professionally
But this conversation makes me mad. i think BA an bmi passengers have been ripped off for long enough.
GO was set up by BA to ward off low fare airlines.
bmibaby is being set up for the same reason.
bmi has had a monopoly on the E Mids. for far to long.
Now go enter the market.
they get scared so they set up bmibaby!
I'm thinking of moving to the EMA base.
You see why I'm MAD! images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/mad.gif images/icons/mad.gif

[lgw27]

jordi as u know on an hour flight. u only have 45 min service time with 4 crew on an RJ100 with a full flight of say 20 in bussiness class and 85 in economy u don't have long to serve everyone so BA's concept of the deli service is so that passengers have time to eat the food with out it being pushed in their face and being pulled away again in 10 mins
also if say a passenger was on a low fares flight and it was running 2 hours late and their had a connecting flight on to a long haul route that they missed what would the low fares companys do for them nothing they missed there flight there fault
but if the passenger was on a ba flight from dublin to gatwick running 2 hours late missed there connection what would ba do put them up in a hotel put them on the next flight transfur them to another airport to get an differnat airlines flight they do loads for the passengers unlike low cost airlines.

[fly777]

Dear Jordi

it may come as a big shock to you, but Virgin and BA do get on well in lots of areas.They have often helped me get back from MCO when our flights were full, and they are superb !!! excellent cabin staff, very friendly and fun.

So for the last time Dear, we all love GO, you are wonderful and please if ever you fly on one our planes please introduce yourself to the crew and we will make sure you have a great flight and if you are ever bored please call me and we can go for a drink and ?

Big Kiss
xxxxxx

[fly777]

PS Jordi

do you come from BCN as I,m thinking of moving to Spain and would really like to ask you some questions, and please dont forget WE LOVE YOU
xxx

I live near STN.
But I regularly fly to BCN.
BCN is my favourite city and has a beautiful airport.
House prices are quite expensive.
I will say hello if im next on a BA flight.
But next time to BCN please fly GO.
And to the Gatwick people.
3 FAs on a 148-seat 737 provide decent and not in your face service on a 40 min. STN-NCL

[ 01-28-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

Do e-mail me if you need any info about BCN.
I've just returned from a
STN-NCL
NCL-STN
STN-CPH
CPH-STN
STN-NCL
NCL-STN trip.
Tommorow off.
Hopefully BCN soon.

[ 02-05-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

[euroboy]

MY MY go on holiday for 4 days and this has more postings than any other on this bulletin board! images/icons/shocked.gif

jordi Euroboy was on holiday in Dubai and wanted to spend time in the sun and on the beach rather than at a pc.

So we have a combination of various reports on flights which paxs have taken. mmmm
Not one of the more reliable sources of info as it not controlled and lets put it this way, anyone can log a report on those files and it could even be crew!

I have met Go crew who were on my training course when I started at BA. (Yes I was at bmi for 11 years to and a low cost operator). The crew said that terms and conditions were not as good at Go as BA. 3-4 hour turn rounds at night and you have to kip on the plane.
I have also flown Ryan Air 3 times in the last years or so. I found the crew poor in customer service and lacked experienced. No1 on 5 out of 6 sectors snappy and rude to both paxs and crew. I felt sorry for one of the new crew who was trying very hard but the No1 was laying in big time. Safety was fair. No1 did Demo PA so fast no one could understand it, disembarked down dark air stairs at night. No1 busy with paperwork which had gone wrong so no "Good Bye". Food on board of
poor quality and standard. Aircraft dirty. Tray tables covered in child`s artistic wax crayon plus coffee stains.
One sector no white tea or coffee available to purchase as they had not been loaded. Another sector no tea or coffee available as they had run out on outbound sector.

Did you know that EasyJet use BA training facilities? Other airlines too? BA Virgin bmi all get on, its the marketing guys who lead you to believe other wise.

I hope you like Lime Green thats all I can say on that regarding your new uniforms.

Stansted is in fact one of the worst London airport to get to. Road network is poor, public transport is linked by the Stansted Express which has had more problems than any other Rail Air link. Its OK if you live towards the east of the airport or North East London. Try getting to STN from Luton, North West London, or South Midlands and STN is a Nightmare! There is no or limited public transport, and the road journey is hard work....being polite that is.

Oh, and now the long term car park.....buses to the terminal, you have to leave at least 45 mins to get back to the terminal because it all depends where you end up parking and the queues to get on the buses.

When looking for cheap deals with EasyJet, Go, and Ryan Air only Ryan Air have cheap flights. EasyJet were offering LTN-GVA one way £200! for a end of Feb departure. BA was offering LGW-GVA return for £234, same departure day.

Salaries quoted by GO are: Junior New Entrant £13,158, Junior Level 2 £14,358, Senior Crew Member £17,258 and Team Manager £22,500. All figures are Gross and based on an average 40 flight sectors and 6 nightstop payment per month.

jordi, I`m sure the Go management would be proud of your commitment to the airline. BUT don`t become blinkered with your views. Some very general comments have been passed on a few people, and hey! Bang everyone gets covered with your throughts and views. I guess you were with bmi once? I agree that they were not wonderful there and things may be tough but there were some good points there too. If Go do things you don`t like, will you continue to heil GO? images/icons/confused.gif

As someone has said you have come on to the BA crew bulletin board and slagged us off. What point are you trying to make? BA and Go are 2 different carriers and fly from different UK London airports. STN has no real connecting traffic, its carriers are all point to point. All companies go through troughs good and bad times.
I`m pleased to hear GO are doing well after EasyJet gave you a bashing on your start up.
Jordi yes you have come across a few wannabee cabin crew in the forum, and they have tried to put cases to you in the best way they know how. I have been around for a while now, perhaps not as long as others but I have a fair knowledge of the industry, both travel and airline.

Some people love BA bmi etc other don`t hence we have a choice. I worked in major Travel Agents a fews years ago, and was booking a couple on a short holiday to Jersey. It started as a flight to Jersey, but this changed to becoming a holiday. Where I live paxs have a choice of LTN BHX LHR LGW EMA, all offering flights to Jersy, with various airlines, BM, BA, CityFlyer (as it was then BA fran)and Jersey European (British Euro). The tour operator offers all the airlines some having a suppliment depending which airport, which airline, day of the week. The tour operator favours now British European on Jersey flights from LGW. ie no suppliments, and low suppliment going from BHX/LTN etc. The paxs decided on BA from LHR paying an extra £12 each because of flight times, Air Miles and they perfered BA over the others.
If BA is to disappear, I wonder who would become the UK national airline...GO, EasyJet...? They don`t have the infrastructure to do it. DAT in Belgium is struggling to take over SN, Crossair is in a better position but still having problems.
BA costs are high. Its not necessary the crews which cause this, but the company is working on this and we will all find out in the next few weeks what will and is going to happen.

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: euroboy ]</p>

[euroboy]

jordi

Ryan Air have announced 8 new routes from Stansted.

These are:

Montpellier 2xDaily

Klagenfurt 2xDaily

Graz 2xDaily

Friedrichshafen 2xDaily

Eindhoven 2xDaily

Newquay 2xDaily

AND

ROME Ciampino 6xDaily

MILAN 4xDaily

The latter 2 routes are GO routes from STN as well. Both Rome and Milan are being offered at £19 single. They are quoting comparison fares (Higher Competitors vers Lowest o.w Fares) and most are BA fares, but the Rome and Milan they are quoting GO fares.

SO JORDI IS IT STILL GOOD LUCK RYAN AIR?

And in your own words to FLY777...I say jordi, Get your head out of the clouds.
YOU have competition as well.

[ 01-31-2002: Message edited by: euroboy ]</p>

[fly777]

GO GO GO EUROBOY!!!

now thats telling Jordi, oh and that 6 sector day looked appealing didn,t it ? NOT !

And didm,t I read that your pretty CEO got a massive bonus ! shared it out with all Go staff did she ?

Rome and Milan are two of our very popular routes.
But compared to RYANAIR, as I said with BA you pay for the better, friendlier service.
I hate to do this, but read a typical FR review:
Date of Entry
Sunday 17th of June, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
1
Delay marks (out of 10)
10
Comfort marks (out of 10)
0
Value marks (out of 10)
10
Would you fly with this Airline again?
No
General comments?
Ryanair are the airline from hell. OK, so they're very cheap and their planes are always on time. In fact mine was early on both legs.

However this does not excuse the atrocious and snooty treatment by staff. The pilot didn't even bother to speak to us until we were beginning our descent. It would have been reassuring to know that someone was in control. Even that was in doubt as we were thrown about like chips in a pan.
Our plane (a brand new 737-800) dropped about ten feet just after take off, prompting a collective "ooomph!" from everyone on board. We then proceeded to approach Stansted with a series of terrifying nose dives. Tears welled up in my eyes as we touched down and for the first time in my life I emerged from a plane feeling lucky to be alive.

My next door neighbour fixes planes at Stansted and staff there have given Ryanair the nickname 'Scareair'. Need I say more? NEVER AGAIN!!!!
Now, GO is no way perfect but I like many employees of other companies are proud of the airlines we work for.
I am sure that the airlines get on very well, but I didn't know that easyJet used BA facilities.
As i reported in an earlier E-Mail, GO is on a expansion plan of its own, which will be revealed to the public shortly.
I find my uniform comfortable, but the six-sector day was quite tiring, especially getting to stansted for about 4:30.
i agree STN is a horrible airport, it's difficult to navigate around, hardish to get too, and few landside facilities.
But EMA and Bristol are nice airports.
Hope to see you on a GO flight soon.
And 3 more things:
1. Sorry I've not replied, I've been working.
2.The guy who was moving to SPAIN do e-mail me. i have lots of stuff on Barcelona, Madrid and Bilbao.
I went to BCN the other day.
Now thats a nice airport
3. Barbara Cassani is very friendly, and, has done an excellent job at GO. Its about time she had a pay rise.

And on the other hand there's Rod Eddington...


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[Tamme]

Hey Guys and Girls,
what are you arguing about????? Go and BA are one Company, maybe not on the Papers, but all in all. We are all Colleagues, there is no Need to put each other down or treat someone inferior, just because someone chose to work for another Company.
Remeber, it is always good to have a fair Competition, different Airlines, different Styles. It is not to Question which one is better, they are all only different. Nothing is good or bad, it is mostly different.
So, please, make up and be loyal to each other.
Kisses and Hugs images/icons/wink.gif

[euroboy]

So Jordi, I have to beg the question. Why, say Good Luck RyanAir????
But I cannot help feel this is a reversal on your feelings, and possibly if I dare say your throughts on difference airlines.
I know what Ryan Air are like (see previous posting). And like I`ve said those reports are not controlled medium so care has to be taken what is read from them. I wonder if I could fine a report that raves about Ryan air in those reports that have be branded about on this post?

jordi, I don`t think anyone from BA dislikes you or trying to put GO down in anyway. They have tried to point out the difference between different airlines. The low-cost sector and the major carriers. They are different, and its not as easy to compare like for like. The meal/Deli style catering is just the icing on the cake...its behind the scenes type back up like missed flights, connections, airports used etc

Yes compared to other low cost airlines GO has a more professional look and feel about it. Clear and clean website easy to use. Does not over do the corporate colour.

Tamme. Thanks for your concern. It was more of a discussion than an arguement. Brings life to this forum. BA sold GO couple of months ago to the 3i group.

jordi....remember we do love you! images/icons/cool.gif

I think you might be on a promise with FLY777 images/icons/smile.gif

[ 02-01-2002: Message edited by: euroboy ]</p>

i wish I'd never said good luck ryanair.
i said it because, we low fare airline guys stick together, sort of!
i just said it to wish them luck with the order for 150 737s.
i'm sorry i don't know whether i'm on the EDI next Saturday, I've been to CPH twice today.
god, i hate Stansted, and the M25, especially on a morning or evening when you're tired.
as i said i'm thinking of going to EMA.
thanks tamme for your concern on our "discussion" no we weren't fighting but we love a good debate.
i wonder what tamme thinks of RYANAIR in Germany.
if you're out there post us a note on this, also LH's withdrawl out of STN.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

[fly777]

Jordi

I,m very rude I forgot to thank you for your offer of info, but I am moving to Alicante as my parents will be living there as well.No doubt though I might see you on one of your services as some of my fellow crew find it easier to commute on GO ! of course you will have moved to EMA by then, which by a funny quirk is where I did my training for BM many moons ago.All the best if you do go there and regardless of anything else I do admire your commitment to your company, I just hope they appreciate it as well

Good luck in Alicante, it's a beautiful place southern Spain.
My parents have just moved out to a place near Malaga, so a bit further down. We can fly there and to Alicante from both EMA, STN and Bristol.
Please keep posting on this site.
I didn't know you worked for bmi. bit suspicious you being a ba fan.
by the way thanks. i love my airline.
p.s. told you we are the most convenient low fares airline!

Euroboy, i forgot to write to you earlier.
I thank you for your cooments on all staff getting along.
easyJet are like virgin. if they don't get their own way, they moan.
but i'm beginnig to like EZY, and can see why they didn't like us, following the launch of bmibaby.

[fly777]

Jordi

I,m a BA fan as I,m a CSD at LGW ! I worked for BM a long time ago before getting into BA and before you ask, no I didn,t work on the Viscounts LOL

Keep smiling,keep safe and maybe see you on the beach some day

Dave

Oh so you weren't on the Viscounts!
Only joking!
What type do you fly on?
Are you moving to Alicante permanently?
And when are you coming out to BCN.
Of course you'll fly on GO.
And euroboy let me just compare low fare airline reviews, seeing as myself and your airline are in different markets:
EasyJet &gt; Review
Date of Entry
Friday 19th of October, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
0
Delay marks (out of 10)
9
Comfort marks (out of 10)
0
Value marks (out of 10)
2
Would you fly with this Airline again?
No
General comments?
The only possible reason to travel with Easyjet is if they are the cheapest possible option on the date you need to travel - they need to be at least 40% cheaper than any non low cost conventional competitor to even consider using their extremely unenjoyable service.
Firstly lack of an allocated seat - I am not a member of the football loving herd - I don't need the scrum or ending up in a seat with no legroom (I'm 6ft 3in tall). Nearly all charter airlines have always bent over backwards to put me in row 1 or an emergency exit row seat, even when I have checked in quite late.
Easyjet staff are the rudest and most uncaring I have ever met on any airline, including many charter flights I have taken, all of which were much better.
The on board catering on Easyjet is abysmal - I know it's part of the deal that you have to pay for it, but that doesn't excuse the choice of what's on offer being only junk food, and not even any sandwiches on a 2 hour flight.
Easyjet seems to go out of its way to put you off travelling with them again by making flying as unglamorous, unpleasant and unexciting as it possibly can. A trip on a long distance National Express coach is, in my experience, more comfortable and better run!
I have yet to travel with Ryanair - the only way they could possibly be worse than Easyjet is in punctuality which is the only feature of the Easyjet service I have always found to be OK or even good in several flights with the airline.
RYANAIR images/icons/grin.gif ate of Entry
Thursday 02nd of August, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
2
Delay marks (out of 10)
0
Comfort marks (out of 10)
2
Value marks (out of 10)
10
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Don't Know
General comments?
The 7AM flight actually took off at 3.50PM. That's almost 9 hours delay on a flight of 45 mins.
A very cheap flight, but when things go wrong with the plane there's no slack in their schedules to get another plane quickly.
and
Date of Entry
Monday 20th of August, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?

International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
Yes
Service marks (out of 10)
4
Delay marks (out of 10)
5
Comfort marks (out of 10)
0
Value marks (out of 10)
0
Would you fly with this Airline again?
No
General comments?
Ticket from Prestwick to Hahn cost over £200. Very expensive! The plane was cramped even at the front, pretty old and tatty looking too inside.
Crew weren't too well organised - they ran out of change about 4 times and had to put messages on the tannoy asking passengers for change. Not very professional.
Hahn airport is a disgrace, it's nowhere near Frankfurt - 1 to 2 hours by car and terribly signposted from just about everywhere! Ryanair should be shot for advertising this airport as being in Frankfurt. There's not even a bus from Frankfurt to Hahn!
Disgraceful from start to finish and not a patch on EasyJet
buzz:
Date of Entry
Sunday 30th of December, 2001
Return Ticket?
Yes
Ticket Class?
Economy
International Flight?
Yes
Frequent Flyer?
No
Service marks (out of 10)
6
Delay marks (out of 10)
0
Comfort marks (out of 10)
9
Value marks (out of 10)
7
Would you fly with this Airline again?
Yes
General comments?
I travelled the old Stansted - Berlin-Tegel route in February 2001, but Buzz now flies to Berlin-Schoenfeld airport instead - just as well, as on the way back we were sent to the runway twice, before being halted literally seconds before take-off and sent back to the terminal (heavy snow, icy runway, other planes had priority, blah blah blah).
By this time, the stewardesses had begun an on-request food delivery service (such childish fun to be had, ringing the attention-request button then switching the light off so they don't know it was you). The stupidly expensive food (that's how budget airlines make their profit) had not been restocked since before the outward flight, so it quickly ran out. The chief stewardess (ferocious) then tried to charge me 1 pound for a glass of water, because they 'only give free water to people taking medicine'. A few emphatic coughs were enough to convince a different stewardess (far less ferocious) that I really *did* need that glass of water, and it eventually arrived (gratis). We were 'only' 5 hours late into stansted, but that was German ATC's fault, not Buzz's.
A relative of mine has just travelled the new Buzz Stansted - Berlin-Schoenfeld (or is it Schoenfield?) route and reported no problems, so these congenstion problems should have eased up now.

[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

[fly777]

Euroboy

you are naughty ! I,m sure Jordi is a right cutie but alas the many years of being at 39 000 ft are catching up with me !

Jordi

you are not by any chance on the EDI flights next Sat ?

[Tamme]

Ok, Guys,
I was just curious. No fighting, when I am around. At least not, when I am not involved! Grin.
Anyways, Lufthansa surely watches Ryanair very closely, but since it is still much more convenient to fly from a big Hub without Hours of Travelling to an Airport right in the Boonies, some Passengers will still fly LH.
Besides, the Company has never been interested in those Low-Fares-Paxes, all they like to see are Business and Full-Fare ones. We will see, what will happen. I personally have the Feeling, that in the near Future, there will be another Lufthansa Express, a low-cost Carrier as there was before after the Gulfwar.

I understand tamme that your airline is launching a new low fares airline, similar to Tango or bmibaby.
If you know any more details please post it here.
New just in:
BA launches no-frills price war
By Damian Reece (Filed: 03/02/2002)
BRITISH Airways will tomorrow announce plans to use Gatwick airport as the base to launch a fierce counter attack against the fast growing low-cost airlines.
The move comes just eight months after BA sold Go, the budget carrier it launched in 1997. The initiative will be revealed alongside the announcement of record quarterly losses when BA publishes its third quarter results.
Analysts expect the carrier to report an operating loss of £225m, against an operating profit of £80m a year ago. The slump is due to the decline in traffic following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.
BA intends to reveal a series of new short-haul services from Gatwick designed to compete head on with Ryanair, easyJet and Go. The flights will copy the budget airlines' practice of stripping out all non-essential services such as complimentary meals and drinks to slash costs in order to charge fares comparable with established low-cost operators.
Fares are likely to be below £100 and less than half the existing BA prices for a particular destination.
The dramatic initiative is a result of a review of operations at Gatwick, launched as part of BA's wider strategic re-think called Future Size and Shape. This study, covering the whole airline and expected to result in significant job losses, will be revealed at the end of the month but tomorrow will see BA's low-cost fight back launched in full.
One option considered under the Future Size and Shape review was to pull out of Gatwick altogether but that has been rejected by the management led by Rod Eddington, the chief executive.
BA has identified a host of routes which it believes could be more profitable or turned round from losses by moving to a low-cost model. It intends to sell the flights over the telephone and the internet in the fashion pioneered by Ryanair and easyJet.
Routes chosen include destinations such as Malaga, Parma, Barcelona and Zurich which would compete directly with the likes of easyJet and Go, which operate mainly out of Luton and Stansted. BA's new low-cost operation will be run alongside full-service short-haul and long-haul flights out of Gatwick.
BA declined to comment yesterday but news of the initiative brought an immediate response from the established low-cost operators. A spokesman for easyJet said: "We will be looking very closely at BA's pricing strategy. If they are pricing below cost then that could be a case of predatory pricing, which is illegal."
Michael O'Leary, the head of Ryanair, the low-cost operator now valued by the stock market at £2.bn compared with BA's £2.3bn, said: "If British Airways wants a price war with Ryanair then they should just name the time and place."
Some analysts have been expecting a big rights issue from the airline to cope with the impact of September 11 but BA is understood to be ready to say it does not need to raise money from the markets yet, having raised cash levels to £3.4bn, including £1.1bn in cash and £800m of undrawn bank facilities.
The results of the Future Size and Shape review are likely to result in a radically different BA structure. The airline's plans were thrown into disarray recently when plans to merge its North Atlantic operations with those of American Airlines were scuppered by the US Department of Transportation.

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

Hello guys in the BA (and GO!) forum.
If tamme is out there could he please reply to our earlier email about Lufthansa's low fares airline.
What about BA's recent loss posting. tut tut tut.
Keep on goin'
Is fly777 or euroboy out there because I've just returned from:
STN-EDI 06:30dpt. 07:45arr.
EDI-STN 08:10dpt. 09:30arr.
STN-GLA 09:55dpt. 11:15arr.
GLA-STN 11:40dpt. 13:00arr.
STN-VCE 13:30dpt. 16:35arr.
VCE-STN 17:05dpt. 18:20arr.
So I'm tired and there's nowt good on tv so got any stuff to post

[ 02-04-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

[exBEKL2B]

What?????? Did you do 3 turnrounds in a day???
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Well buddy,good luck, cause admit it,this is not so usual for Europe, we usually do like a turnround and then one more flight with a nightstop, so 3 legs a day!!
But what you are doing is insane! images/icons/confused.gif
So, for such an operation, how long are you off now?

[traveler]

And do you ever get to sleep (and party) anywhere else ?
Why would someone 'love' this ? images/icons/rolleyes.gif

Ryanair carried 807,828 passengers in Jan., up 50% from 538,290 the year before. Load factor rose 9 points to 72%. The Irish budget carrier, which is to present it third-quarter results today, said 91% of its initial seat sales were made through its website, up from 69% in the same month last year. In the rolling 12 months ending Jan. 31 Ryanair carried 10.5 million passengers, average load factor was 80% and Web sales accounted for 84% of the total.

[euroboy]

See jordi...in this life the marketing guys make it dog eat dog. Crews and other airline staff generally get on. Newspapers and other news media help fuel the image of airlines not getting on.
Think bmi-baby crews at EMA are going to have bit of a shock with their new T&C and salaries.


Take care

Hello!
is this review of euro airlines getting tiresome because no one is talking much on it anymore so if anyone is out please discuss your thoughts HERE.
I'd just like to ask tamme if he's out there what about LH low fares airline as i've asked about 10 times.

Did anyone read Barbara Cassani's (CEO at GO) article in the business section of the times. it was very good.

And for the guys that think our days are hard, that was just a long day, our days vary from 2-5 sectors a day usually.

May I take this opportunity to announce the launch of Bristol to Prague.

fly777 euroboy anyone post something!

ps today:
STN-BFS 07:00dpt. 08:15arr.
BFS-STN 08:40dpt. 09:55arr.
STN-BFS 10:20dpt. 11:35arr.
BFS-STN 12:00dpt. 13:10arr.
STN-NCL 14:10dpt. 15:10arr.
NCL-STN 15:35dpt. 16:40arr.

[fly777]

Jordi

pop out and buy this months Business Traveller, it has a very good article on the low costs, pros and cons, so interesting reading.

Yes I will be moving out to ALC as its time for me to sit and stare at the young lads walking along the beach !

Oh and the surveys are getting boring Dear, I handed out 20 on my flight back from PHX last night and they all came back excellent including the question of value for money ! The thing is we are very good at long haul and you are good at what you do....period.

Will I fly Go to ALC, well as I live near STN and if the fare is right well of course I will and if you are on board I can do my own survey !!

fly777 we'll be glad to have you onboard.

[mush]

British Airways is to use the internet to launch a cut-price travel war against low-cost airlines, offering big discounts on tickets bought online.
The move, to be announced this week by BA chief executive Rod Eddington under its 'Future Size and Shape' review, is part of an attempt to emulate the low cost structures of airlines such as Ryanair and Easyjet.

It will offer discounts off travel agency prices for those who book online instead. However, it will not match the ultra low prices offered by Ryanair, emphasising there is still some premium for service and the convenience of airports close to town centres.
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[jetstar]

images/icons/grin.gif Thank You guys!! You started speaking again!

Since I started the topic, I was gonna try and lock it off so there would be no more of the boring stuff (you know what bits I mean!)

But now, I'll leave it!! Enjoy....... images/icons/wink.gif images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/wink.gif

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[blacksheep]

Very articulate post euroboy, and with FACTS!
I would add that business travelers (those who are the main resource for an airline) need the reliability that only a very good and structured organization can provide.

[mush]

We will compete profitably and intelligently alongside them by adopting what they do well - online bookings, high aircraft utilisation and pricing simplicity," ...and better fleet...staff...frequency...airports...destination s...etc etc etc...
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Dear friends on this forum.
It has been a really good debate between myself at GO and you guys at BA, with some really good points expressed.
TAMME still hasn't posted anymore on LH's low fares airline.
It has got a bit boring on the debate and I think it's fair to say that GO and BA are 2 different airlines, looking for 2 different markets.
BA - People that aren't paying out of their own pocket that want to fly for that extra bit of luxury (experienced on the longhauls and Club Europe) and who want their Exec Club Silver?Gold tag on their bags.
GO - for the cost-concious business and leisure traveller.
Finally to show this, after returning from my shift today, I went on the GO site. This was posted earlier:
Go leads the way - 13 February

Go leads the way in making Spain affordable. With over 185 weekly flights this summer, Go is the leading low cost airline to Spain and second only to British Airways.
By the end of March 2002, we will have flown 1,300,000 passengers between Spain and the United Kingdom. This is a 50% increase over the previous 12 months, making Go the fastest growing airline this year.
Book now to join the Go jet set. Fares start from just £60 return.

FLY777, EuroBoy and anyone else who has been on this debate, I await your replies, when you get back from whichever farflung destination you may be at!
On behalf of all of us at GO (and BA when they get over here) we wish you a very happy Valentines Day.
By the way go are doing a valentine day special offer on the web www.go-fly.com (http://www.go-fly.com)
On a budget, Romeo?On a budget, Romeo?

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fly777 and euroBoy.
are you there?
i don't know whether you saw my nice post above please read and reply.
how are you guys feeling at BA, I feel quite guilty about all the nasty things I said.
so, come and join us at GO if you want,but we'd never get any work done!
I've had a quiet week, mainly 4-sectors. One roundtrip in the morning and one in the evening like today.
But on Monday-Thursday it looks like i'm on six-sectors, so I'm not posting probably till Friday evening.
Today
STN-BCN
BCN-STN
STN-ALC
ALC-STN
Same as on Tuesday!