BA is not the worlds favourite airline

British Airways has revealed to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) that it will no longer use the controversial slogan, "The World's Favourite Airline".
I will get a transcript extract from a video file from the BBC NEWS website.
I personally think it's good that it's ditching the slogan.
Firstly, no one airline is the world's favourite airline. The array of members on this forum proves my point.
Secondly, LH has proved BA wrong using BA's own weird calculation that justifies the ex-slogan.
So in true "lets debate about BA" style. what shall we have as the new slogan.
British Airways. fly777s favourite airline!
just kiddin'! graemlins/pilot_smilie.gif graemlins/plane_smilie.gif graemlins/pilot2_smilie.gif

[ 02-17-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

[AirBag]

Are you trying to win the prize for the most irritating member on this bulletin board?

If not "Hey Congrats!!" YOU WIN

Perhaps your non-stop carping and sly bitchiness would be put up with if people weren't as fed up as they were with things, but guess what? We are. So do us all a big favour and can it.

Every time I log on to this site there you are posting some report copied from The Sun or where ever it is you get them from. Perhaps it's time you found yourself another past-time that doesn't involve hours poring over the Beano cutting out odd paragraphs here and there to torture us with.

What is it, jealousy or something? Fail your BA interview? Pay-back time for those who work for Mothership?

Do us all a favour (or me at least as your biggest fan) Just cut the cattiness and sniping about how badly BA is doing.

The only redeeming mercy is that GO isn't doing badly because I'd hate to think of you having to come knocking on our door for a job (if your evidently high morals would allow you to that is) And even worse having to go away on a 10 day trip and listen to it all first hand from you shut in an enclosed space at 39000 ft

[ 02-18-2002: Message edited by: AirBag ]</p>

[lgw27]

Airbag well said i totally agree with you thank you for saying it

[DASH]

Airbag, I couldn't have said it better myself! I thought I loved my job and my company but not as much as that...

By the way, I just have to say that BA will always be 'My Favourite Airline', even if it's no longer to be the 'World's'. I have flown with you twice SYD-SIN on the 747-400 - first time I was upgraded to Club and was most impressed by the service and the cabin fitout. Most recently I flew in World Traveller and enjoyed that too!

Keep it up guys! I'm always in awe when I see those two big Speedbirds here at SYD, and if I had an EU passport I'd be working with you tomorrow.

Fly safely!

Paul

[AirBag]

Oh and by the way, what exactly did you mean by

"What shall we have as the new BA slogan"?

Since when have you worked for British Airways?

[GUINNESS]

I think you will find that jordi is one of those F/A s that other crew swap duties to avoid images/icons/grin.gif

[crewstart]

Let me just say that BA is my favourite airline to have as a new partner!( I work for KLM); I think our colleagues at BA are perfect to have fun with when en route

[traveler]

I second that !

i have briefly logged on and you guys at ba are the ones getting bitchy.
i just thought i'd let you know.
it wasn't copied, just a quick review.
you seem to be bitter that you sold go and now we're doing better than you.
i find ba ok now!
but with that attitude it should be the world's bitchiest airline!

[Katie]

LOL-AirBag, I agree with you!

[basejumper]

Great reply, Airbag.... and you're absolutely right, the response just proved your point...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jordi:
[QB]British Airways has revealed to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) that it will no longer use the controversial slogan, "The World's Favourite Airline".
I will get a transcript extract from a video file from the BBC NEWS website.
I personally think it's good that it's ditching the slogan.
Firstly, no one airline is the world's favourite airline. The array of members on this forum proves my point.
Secondly, LH has proved BA wrong using BA's own weird calculation that justifies the ex-slogan.
So in true "lets debate about BA" style. what shall we have as the new slogan.
British Airways. fly777s favourite airline!
just kiddin'! graemlins/pilot_smilie.gif graemlins/plane_smilie.gif graemlins/pilot2_smilie.gif

that was my original email.
now may i say as i quickly log on between flights, why is that carping or getting bitchy about BA.
it has no negative ba comments. all i had said was that no-one is the world's favourite airline, the people on this forum obviously think it is and some are very biased.
i di not fail my interview i never applied. i worked for go after leaving thomson holidays, because i liked no-frills airlines and this one had been launched by a very professional airline.
now, i'm not getting bitchy, if anyone is it has to be AirBag, the name goes to show.
now i've flown BA many times pre-2000, and on many occaisions the service has been good, however on 2 trips recently (2000/2001) to Zurich I have recieved terrible service.
as i said your people seem to be bitter that we're doing better than you.
so if your taking an attitude ha go STAR ALLIANCE

[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

[euroboy]

I don`t believe any airline in the Star Alliance flys to ZRH or GVA from London directly.

Personally I`m not bothered if GO is doing better than BA at the moment. However, things do change and within 2-3 years an over expanded over crowded UK/European Low-Cost/No frills market could sink like the Titanic, with one or more hitting the deck.
GO is getting competition on some of its network, been driven off Scottish/Irish routes.
EasyJet ordering 75 new jets rumoured to be Airbus 319`s. Mixed fleets, training cost, etc
Ryan Air ordering 150 new 737`s. OK they are going replace their knackered -200`s, but large fleets more difficult to operate. And in the end with large fleets of aircraft the low cost will be competing on routes. In the end there is only so many routes in Europe and with all these planes...Where will they GO???

Paul. Can we have a GO forum or a low cost one for the GO`s Easy, Ryan`s ?????

[fly777]

Jordi

please do not use my name in your ongoing attacks on our airline, I would be offended if any of my collegues at BA or infact any airline thought I was friendly with you.

You seem to take great delight in putting BA down which allthough at times was humerous is now very boring and dare I say it, spiteful.

The reason that BA is facing such a crisis is due to the terrible events of last year and it wouldn,t hurt you to get a back copy of Vanity Fair from last Nov and read the accounts of UA 93 and perhaps try to understand the courage of the Flight Attendants on that 757, who after seeing their collegues butchered still had sense of mind to fill the bev makers with hot water in an attempt to overcome the hijackers.So allthough I may have a shortage of work and our airline is in trouble I will never have to make the sacrifice that those brave crew did.

You really dont seem to understand what makes crew so special do you ? I have NEVER seen anyone slag off anothers airline on this board and its a shame that you came along in a childish attempt to do that.

I can only ask that fellow crew from BA and other airlines ignore this rather sad person.

[TheBird]

Here, here fly777. You hit the nail on the head. I too felt the effects of last year as I was made redundant, and yes, British Airways are going through a rough patch, but they will get through it, and you will once again come out on top. I have flown many airlines in my life time, and British Airway always stands out. The crew are really friendly, the service was impeccable and the aircraft (which happned to be a 777 on my last trip) was very modern and well kept. They have certainly made a statement with me. But hey, this is only my opinion! Keep up the good work. See ya in the skies.

Pam XXX

look i think that most people at ba are absolutely great ok happy!
now. i think that how the fas on the ua93 and the other hijacked airliners must have done an exceptionally good job. however im not slagging anyone off ok.
how in this email did i slag anyone off. come on tell me!
because i just said that nobody should use the world's favourite. where was i spiteful to ba in this message?
i launched this to prove a point.
now following the last debate euroboy and fly777 i realised how good a job BA is doing and how much they love their airline.
go is fine. you just hate the fact we're doing a good job and better than you. is that it?
now this topic was not meant to hurt anyone. so fly777/airBag what do you have a problem with?

[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: jordi ]</p>

[AirBag]

Do you have big time amnesia or something? Almost every post you have made has either a direct or implied dig at either British Airways, it's practices or it's crew.

I for one just don't need it.

Even in your last post you call British Airways an "awful airline" I really don't understand how you can turn round and say you have a neutral standpoint unless you are schizophrenic and your other persona keeps butting in.

Read your own posts and imagine how it makes us feel.

I go to work and bust my balls for this company. All my colleagues, with very few exceptions do aswell. After 9/11 I'd go so far to say that as we are such a high profile airline, I risk my life for them aswell. Do you really have this little social skill to not recognise that you are upsetting people?

Fair enough have your opinions. You, of course reserve this as your right, but please just think before you post messages like you have done in the past.

Even now when you mustknow that you have upset people and made them angry you are still flippant and off hand -- if you want examples you only have to ask and I will furnish you with them

So please, I ask you one more time:


THINKbefore you start posting your insulting and inflammatory postings on this site.

I would not even go as far as to ask you to consider apologising because I would have serious mis-givings as to it's sincerity.

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OK
Here goes:
1. to all crew at BA and any other oneworld alliance members, i'm sorry.
2. to anyone that i've hurt or offended, i'm sorry.
3. to AirBag who I seem to have pissed off so much, I'm sorry.
4. may i ask, with a direct answer why you are all offended?
5. to all laid-off people at ba and anyone else for that matter, good luck
OK
Happy now!
Now can we all be friends and live happily ever after!
Oh and can i say hi to whoever easy737 is! i hope your from a low fares airline to.

[euroboy]

jordi I have warned you via private messaging that you were getting on peoples nerves and winding them up by posting negative news regarding the airline. At least you paid heed to not posting Future Size Shape.

It would not be so bad if you managed to post uncopied/your own views rather than some journalist from the BBC, Times or any other media machine you wish to find bad news.


Its now up to you to prove that you are sorry by not posting this negative news from media source available to you on these boards. I have said before that BA crews and staff have access to all this via BA news, Cabin Crew news, and the BA intranet and even funnier we can read newspapers and CEEFAX, listen and watch TV/radio.

[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: euroboy ]</p>

[AirBag]

Well well, either I am imagining things or you are ashamed of what you wrote.

That little quip about British Airways being "awful" that I referred to earlier seems to have been edited out of your post.

Funny that -- images/icons/rolleyes.gif

I was going to reply to your question about why we are all offended on a separate post. Once I got down to looking though, I had filled, in reasonably small writing both sides of a piece of hotel note paper.

I can find various things that when taken out of context and quoted dry here, would seem rather inoquous (sp?)

Also, it is an accumulation of those things and little snidey remarks here and little jabs in the ribs there that go towards creating the feelings towards you, that have been aired by so many members on this thread.

Think my friend, so many people from all over the world cannot be wrong.

If your apology to me was sincere then of course I accept it.

I just wish that so much animosity had not been caused in the first place, when after all we are all colleagues. Different uniforms, colleagues none the less.

[ 02-22-2002: Message edited by: AirBag ]</p>

[fly777]

Jordi

I can not speak for anyone else but I for one do not accept your apology, you are a nasty piece of work with a malicous streak, I would kindly ask Paul Wink from KLM to get rid of this person or certainly restrict him from putting his views on the BA forum, we are fighting for our jobs at the moment and people like Jordi should have the decency or self esteem to refrain from posting.

[GB737]

yes jordi i am from a low fares airline as you can probably tell, i'm from EZY.
what's all the bitchiness about?
jordi could have put it in a more professional manner (rich coming from us at the web's favourite airline!) but he was expressing a point. yet i have not yet read his other posts.
we are all crew but from different airlines better or worse.http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/Gif/chase.gif
work as a team
EZY737

[ 02-24-2002: Message edited by: easy737 ]</p>

[GB737]

stelios gives this impression that we hate BA or anyone that isn't in a garish orange and black uniform.
hey, maybe he does but i have a chat with some of your employees (although 1 or 2 senio crew look at us in our uniforms like we're TRAILER TRASH"

anyway, can we stop slagging each other off. http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sloppy.gif
can AirBag and his BA colleauges get on with jordi and vice versa, (jordi try not to be so unprofessional about your "hatred" for the flag carrier) http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/chatter.gif because i read the Euro Airlines of Future and you guys were getting on so nicely. http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/cheers.gif

and finally i've done the tour of Compass Center and i've spoken to our team that regularly go to CraneBank. your place is like a palace compared to our sh*t house easyLand. its a bloody over sized tin can painted in orange! but i still luv who i work for!
EZY737

[ 02-24-2002: Message edited by: easy737 ]</p>

[AirBag]

Yes easy737,
He could have put things in a more professional way here but he didn't.

He also didn't on many other occasions, hence the reason that so many of us are upset with him, not just people from BA either as you can see.

I don't know about EasyJet not being professional, as far as I have seen your SEP is shit hot. Judging from what I saw in Cranebank anyway. Also saw your CBT package when it was being developed and it looked pretty slick to me, all bells and whistles one might say!!

Take care and take it EZY!

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[pillow_pusher]

well... like QF crew said, if i had an EU passport, i would have been at BA years ago. i was a dispatcher in BOS for BA for 8 years, and although BA had it's bad points, it had many excellent attributes (like most everything, right?).

i have to say, i interpreted jordi's opening post as an attack on BA, full stop. there was no way to misinterpret that; anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of english could have picked that one up.

i agree that the BA-bashing sounds like sour grapes to me... but who knows.

to jordi- listen, after 9/11, nearly EVERY airline is doing poorly. and if yours happens to be doing well at the moment, enjoy it, but for god sakes don't GLOAT about it and rub everyones face in it, because in this industry, which i have been a part of for 10 years, can change RAPIDLY... any airline, big or small, could be here today, gone tomorrow, so don't be so smug. 9/11 should have removed any kind of "us and them" labels, and made us ALL colleagues, regardless of our airline.

so QUIT your bitchy postings, and try to be a little nicer.

[nwacrew]

Long after tiny "GO" is but a forgotten postscript in the annals of aviation history, British Airways will still be flying the citizens of the world, admirably, to the far corners of our globe. Face it Jordi; you are SERIOUSLY out-gunned.

[DASH]

How about we all focus on WHY British Airways is a great airline instead of prolonging all this negative feeling in this forum? Just a suggestion...why give the starter of this topic more satisfaction about the waves he has created (it's obvious he has it in for BA, so guys, just out do him!)

It's good to see all you BA crew so proud of the company you work for even though, like Qantas, cost cutting is taking place left, right and centre and employees are being retrenched through no fault of the company itself.

I don't want to intrude too much here but as our airlines are so closely aligned I thought I'd put my two cents worth in again.

See you in SYD,

Paul

[GB737]

i'm sorry but this has gone far enough ...
this has gone to a slagging jordi match. now i don't like his attitude but guys you're going to his level.
you guys at ba are excellent in the market you cater for. long-haul flights, where you have an excellent on-board service (my mother just returned from Chicago in your new flat beds in Club) for passengers that fly frequently and like all the frills, FFP and upgrades to Club.
now NWAcrew: "Long after tiny "GO" is but a forgotten postscript in the annals of aviation history, British Airways will still be flying the citizens of the world, admirably, to the far corners of our globe." is out of line, i'm sorry, but you're just rude, your airline can't talk about proffesionalism (sp.?) look what you did to 3-plane start-up PRO AIR, no-wonder you have an attitude about low fares.
now EZY, GO, Buzz etc. all cater for the cheaper end of the market. now stop slagging people off, focus on good points and get along. after a day on a plane with mainly leisure travellers and ones that look like they've just been out repairing their car, and the (o joy!) business travellers on some routes i don't want this!
if you're in the uk you've watched airline i'm sure. WORK WITH ME ON THIS!

[buzz146]

the bbc's venom for all things BA
i found this on pprune, it applies to both jordi and the bbc

If you happen to be reading this and you are connected (or indeed integral to the BBC's editorial content of BBC News), could I pose a question to you please?
Why do you seem to take such a skewed view of the aviation market? Who upset you SO much in BA that you continually report on its troubled state. In other words why are you so personal?
I've seen you give the same treatment to Marks and Spencer who could equally complain that if the 'airtime' dedicated to their company was proportional to their turnover, then the monopolies commision would have intervened long ago!
Examples of poor/skewed/corrupt journalism abound from your articles.
1) If an incident that involves a near miss is reported that does not specify a company name, what do you invariably show from your comprehensive library? You've guessed it, BA aircraft taxying at LHR (quite often in the OLD colours!)
2) Your coverage of crashes or serious incidents is usually a little better than 'the others', but why do you never mention that many of these incidents arise due to poor attention to both the training of pilots and poor servicing of aircraft.
3) Why do you never return to the report (unless it is sensational posturing such as the AF Concorde crash)
Please, BBC news, could you revisit your manifesto, and question whether your journalistic position has not just become another part of the global media 'junk food', that SKY always was, ITN always hoped it wasn't, and YOU are slowly becoming!
Regards
A disgruntled BA pilot.

see, maybe jordi din't work for go and was in fact an undercover spy for the BEEB!

[nwacrew]

Dear Easy737: I can assure you I do not have an "attitude about lowfares". Prior to joining Northwest I flew for three different charter airlines (now defunct)for a total of 18 years. I learned a thing or two about low fares. And I'm sorry if you think my stated view that British Airways will outlive GO is "out of line". Time will tell. As for tiny Pro Air, Northwest did not need to "do" anything to them. They were woefully under financed from the beginning and made the fatal business decision to be the only airline flying out of Detroit's old, downtown airport; which is in such a dangerous part of the city that no one in their right mind wanted to drive there, much less park and leave their car unattended. Pro Air did sign lucrative contracts with a number of Detroit companies, such as General Motors, but then failed to deliver the services they promised (their delays were legendary) and one by one the companies cancelled their contracts and sent their employees back out to Detroit Metro Airport, to more expensive, but more reliable, Northwest. Pro Air could not make the payments on their leased 737's and went out of business. Sad, but risk is inherent in any new business venture and most new airlines fail within a year of start-up. I'm sorry if calling the shots as I see them was construed by you to be "rude".

[GalleyHag]

This has what Jordi has done:

He has posted an article from "The Sun," which we all know is not the most reliable of newspapers.

He posted the article with a wee bit of bitchiness.

Then the others went in to take the piss out of him and slam him.

He responded, not with apologies, but with more ragging. Plus, he dragged other member's names into it.

He finally apologised, but not really.

He has also complained about Northwest without ever having flown on Northwest.

He is a trouble causin', rabble rousin', bubble burstin', low down, dirty dog. images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[GalleyHag]

Also, NWA didn't do a thing to ProAir. They flew out of Detroit City Airport (probably the only airline to do so), NWA flies out of Metro Airport (along with all other airlines). I don't know the reason why ProAir chose Detroit City airport.

[jetstar]

{ i liked no-frills airlines and this one had been launched by a very professional airline. }

I see this comment has been added above, for which I am glad to see the author acknowledge the origins of a certain airline.

Guys, I am not being biased at all, but really, all this gets noone no where - as I said in the 'ba or low fares forum' post, I think the moderator has long since gone. Perhaps someone would like to have a go - for the purpose of leading inspired debate and chat, by eliminating the conflict that has been such a feature lately.

Have a look at the other post and let Mr Crewstart know if you want to have a go.

Whilst the BA Gossip has never been so used as recently, there's room for us all without the conflict. It would be great to have lively debate instead....
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[pillow_pusher]

the initial posting by jordi was out of line, full stop. this is a BA forum, for BA staff... of course, other airlines are welcomed, but we really ought to be polite whilst making postings in other airlines' forums. it's almost like walking into someone's house, uninvited, sitting down at the dining table, ridiculing the decor, and complaining about the food.

so, keep it polite! if you have some bitching to do, do it in your own airlines forum (in jordi's case, his airline doesn't have a forum, so he ought to start one).

[Katie]

it started as a bit of friendly banter which was like, fair cop as some might say.

However things have certainly got a bit bitchy around here.

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We already have enough problems without a mini World War 3 breaking out on here!

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