Aeroflot, Swiss AirLines

[GB737]

lots of speculation about AeroFlot joining the SkyTeam alliance. is this just a rumour or is it confirmed?
also swiss airlines, whilst everyone seems to think they are joining oneworld. the swiss management say that the best option was actually SkyTeam. anything?

[fiesta31]

haven't heard anything about that, by the way south american partner is aeromexico so far
ciao

[Captain_Escargot]

Heard about Aeroflot about one year ago, but nothing official, and they DO issue LOTS of official papers.
Nothing at all about SWISS http://www.smilies.nl/sad/nixweiss.gif

[James_B.]

Didn't hear anything about it neither...
Anyway I don't think it will occur.

[scairbus]

SWISS ended talks with SKYTEAM ,also with STAR , so most probably we will join ONEWORLD, this should be announced en of march.

Swiss is joining OneWorld, along with American Airlines, British Airways, Air Lingus, FinnAir, Iberia, Cathay Pacific, Quantas and Lan Chile. It will be officially announced sometime in the next few weeks.

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[Mystere IV A]

Swwis will join One World!
here is a litlle digest about what was published in French newspaper yesterday :

Le 31 mars, la nouvelle compagnie Swiss succédera définitivement à Swissair déclarée en faillite le 2 octobre 2001.

Bâtie autour de Crossair qui, avant de disparaître elle aussi, aura récupéré 52 avions et réembauché quelque 6 000 salariés de Swissair, Swiss desservira 126 destinations dans le monde avec une flotte de 128 appareils. Décidée à jouer la carte du voyage haut de gamme, la compagnie prévoit de transporter cette année 9,8 millions de passagers.

A quatre jours du lancement, André Dosé, le PDG de Swiss, vient d’annoncer deux nouvelles majeures : l’acquisition de 13 Airbus A340-300 et un accord de partenariat avec American Airlines.

Les premières livraisons d’avions neufs devraient débuter en juin 2003.
Le partenariat concerne les vols quotidiens de Swiss entre Zurich et sept destinations américaines (Boston, New York-Kennedy et Newark, Washington, Chicago, Miami et Los Angeles) ainsi que sur les liaisons assurées par son partenaire helvétique au-delà de Zurich en Europe, Afrique et Moyen-Orient. La réciproque sera appliquée sur les vols American Airlines de New York et Dallas vers Zurich et des destinations régionales nord-américaines.

L’objectif de la compagnie helvétique est, à terme, d’entrer dans Oneworld dont fait partie AMR. Mais ce ralliement n’ira pas sans poser de réels problèmes à British Airways.

Swiss, qui appartient pour 65,3 % au secteur privé suisse et pour 34,7 % à la Confédération et aux cantons suisses, vise l’équilibre en 2003 pour un chiffre d’affaires de 5 milliards de francs suisses et après une perte de 1,1 milliard pour 3,2 milliards de chiffre d’affaires cette année.

(LA TRIBUNE/LES ECHOS/LE FIGARO - 27.03.2002)

[Mystere IV A]

Upppsss , forgot to make an english digest ....
here it is :

1st of March, the new Swiss airline will take over from Swissair which went bankruptcy October 2nd,2001.

Build around Crossair which, before dissapearing itself too, took over 52 aircrafts and hired around 6 000 workers from Swissair, Swiss will link 126 destinations worldwide with 128 aircrafts. Decided to perform up-market service, the airline plan to carry 9.8 million passeneger this year.

Four days prior to launch, André Dosé, CEO of Swiss, just announced two major news : purchase of 13 Airbus A340-300 and a partnership with American Airlines.

First deliveries of new aircraft should start in June 2003.
Partnership concern Swiss' daily flights in between Zürich and seven US destinations (BOS, JFK and EWR, WAS, CHI, MIA and LAX) as well as links from ZRH on to European, African and Middle-East destinations. Opposite will apply on AA flights from NYC, DFW towards ZRH and regional US destinations.

Goal of the Swiss airline is, sooner or later, to join Oneworld which AMR is part of. But this joining wont be without serious problems with BA.

Swiss, owned 65.3% by private Swiss investors and 34.7 by Swiss Confederation and Cantons, aim for balance in the budget in 2003 for a turnover of 5 billions Swiss Francs after a loss of 1.1 billion for 3.2 billions turnover this year.

[friendly_sky_friend]

whilst it is not Swiss (now oneworld) or Aeroflot (a confirmed future partnr that according to a report a few monts ago will join in 2003/2004)
TAM Brasil may join Skyteam according to a LHR-based friend from VARIG brasil. according to i think Airliners or Airliner World magazine that did a report on them in 2000, they are looking at all major alliances and there are rumours they are wanting to join Skyteam. is this true?
also China Southern or another Chinese operator wants to join SkyTeam?
keep safe and keep flying the friendly skies ... of Delta!

[GB737]

who is TAM?

[76-er]

TAM is a Brazilian airline operating loads of F100's, A320's and since a few months even the A330.

[Mystere IV A]

As far a

[Mystere IV A]

TAM is actually just having a good commercial cooperation with AF, and some codeshare.
Skyteam is already having a member in Central America in the name of Aeromexico, and there are actually no will to get a South American one in.
Regarding Aeroflot, a cooperation is actually studied by AF and SU but talks are on their way and it is not yet plan for SU to join Skyteam.
Actual member of Skyteam in former Eastern Europe is CSA.
Hope this will help you.
I will advise if news of Skyteam development on the way, regarding the info I may get.

[Mystere IV A]

Regarding a chinese airline entering Skyteam, also no news from here. Asian partner and member of Skyteam is actually KE ( Korean Air).

Actually we are working on strengthening Skyteam, trying to settle synergies.

Last point was the US DoT that gave anti-trust immunity to AF, OK, AZ and DL on Europe-US market, last January.