A Message From Pat Cheung

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Breaking my Silence to give you the Facts

February 14th, 2003

For 14 months, I have participated as an active, legitimate and properly elected member of the Air Canada Component and stayed the solidarity course, and I can tell you that I can no longer remain silent aware knowing that you are being misled by Pamela Sachs, Richard Nolan and Bruno DiGiulio. When “Setting the Record Straight” there is always another side to the story and it is time that you hear the other side of the story.

This is not the first time that Sister Pamela Sachs and Brother Richard Nolan have participated in a negative campaign of lies, innuendo and mudslinging. Their slant on how things were and how things are is just that, nothing more and all can be refuted with documented facts.

Fact Since the 2 Components merged in November of 2001, a budget to govern the New Air Canada Component has not been presented to the Executive for approval in accordance with Article 11 j).

Fact There have been no quarterly financial statements created and/or provided in accordance with Article 11.4.

Fact Sister Sachs has neither consulted nor advised the Component of who she hires or why. This is in direct violation of Article 11.1 i) and 11.4 c).

Fact Sister Sachs and Brother Nolan have made considerable capital expenditures in the renovation of the Toronto office in order to barricade themselves from the Officers of the Division and all other Component Officers and CUPE staff sharing the Division office. This was done with absolutely no consultation and/or approval from the Component Executive. It is against the law to spend Union funds without proper approval.

Fact There has not been a properly constituted Component Executive meeting since the 2 Components merged in violation of Article 11.6 c). Sister Sachs advised me that if a Motion has been passed when a quorum of Union Officers happen to be together for unrelated reasons, then that somehow constitutes a Component Executive meeting!

Fact Since taking office, Sister Sachs has not provided any education for new officers in violation of Article 11.1 l), even though the Division By-Laws were amended in 2001, awarding the Components with the necessary funds to provide for the education of Officers.

These are a few of the MORE blatant violations of the Airline Division By-Laws and while it is the clear intention of Sister Sachs to bring about the demise of the Airline Division, now that it is no longer under her spell, in the meantime, she has been legally obligated to play by the existing rules, as do all other Components of the Airline Division.

As an outsider coming into the Air Canada Component, I did so with considerable trepidation, however, I have to say that I enjoyed meeting and getting to know the other Base Presidents and while we did not always agree on all issues, for the most part we found common ground, wanting to protect the best interests of our respective members. I want to be very clear that anything stated in this letter is in no way intended to reflect negatively on any of them, with the exception of Bruno DiGulio.

With the merging of the two Components, all Base Presidents, with the exception of Bruno DiGiulio, have worked hard to bring their members together, blue red and green, and have encouraged them to look to the future and prepare for the day we will all work together. Local Committees and Officers are reflective of all the former Locals, unlike the Component Committees, all of which are exclusively chaired by original Air Canada members by appointment of Sister Sachs. Canadian members were completely excluded from these very important committees, which, among other things, deal with areas such as health and safety, uniforms, new aircraft, expenses, employee assistance etc. Do these show leadership skills of the person you want to have as your Component President?

I have seen Sister Sachs in action on more than one occasion and I know that she has absolutely no desire whatsoever to bring the two groups together because she knows that as long as she can foster division amongst the rank and file, she can continue to reign over the Component by colour alone. The fate of the former Employee Assistance Program Committee is a perfect example. It was discussed in bargaining and a decision as to which program should be retained has been put on hold until after the election. Dare I predict what will happen? I hope I am proven wrong as I can assure you sincerely that I have worked extensively with the former CDN program and it is definitely a keeper. A perfect program would be a blend of both.

During the road shows I had the opportunity to meet many of you and quickly realized that the biggest problem is in Toronto where there is a total lack of leadership. The problem began when Brother DiGiulio shut out certain elected former CDN officers. A bad situation became worse when Brother DiGulio accepted a motion (regarding making the Airline Division Policy a By-Law and that it be applied retroactively) at a Local meeting that ultimately turned the membership upside down. Had he rejected the motion outright (as was done in Vancouver when it was proposed at our nominations meeting BECAUSE IT WAS IRRECIEVABLE); the madness would never have started. Sister Sachs, Brother Nolan and Airline Division President Steve Morash were also present and participating in the YYZ meeting when Bruno accepted the motion. Being seasoned Union Officers, all four of them knew perfectly well that it was not possible to retroactivity apply a policy. But it worked for their campaign so they kept quiet and allowed the meeting to proceed. By accepting this motion, DiGuilio, Sachs, Nolan and Morash purposely misled the members, which resulted in the mayhem that followed.

These four supposed seasoned Union Officers were also present and participating in the nominations meeting in YYZ for delegates to the Airline Division Conference and at no time during the meeting suggested that there were any procedural inconsistencies. They had a moral responsibility as senior Union Officers to stand up and advise the membership that due to the procedural inconsistencies of the nominations meeting in question, that the results could be challenged. Yet, they did not stand up and do this. Why? Because they believed that the results might be favourable to their agenda, so it was best to keep quiet - that is, until after the results of the election were declared and they did not meet with their satisfaction because they were the wrong colour.

I ask you, is this leadership, or are these self-serving actions of desperate people who are afraid that their empire might be collapsing and will stoop to any level to manipulate and mislead the membership to achieve their goals? You must ask yourselves why is it that only Toronto is having problems? Brother DiGiulio has only 700 more members than YVR and while YVR isn’t Nirvana, it isn’t a hotbed of chaos either! We respect our members and in return I hope they respect us.
As a final touch to Sister Sachs’ and Brother Nolan’s’ campaign, they have now enlisted the help of retired Brother Roberto Sprugnoli who has distributed what can be best described as a “blast from the past” hate bulletin of complete hogwash. It was the now-retired Brother Roberto’s position that the Canadian Component must move to the Air Canada platform as quickly as possible while retaining some important items like SOLO (which incidentally we have enjoyed from the ratification of the MOU of June 2000 to present). Now he has conveniently changed his tune and says we shouldn’t have done that. At the time, Roberto was base president of Toronto and fully took part in the negotiations in June 2000 including signing the collective agreement. He has clearly had a memory lapse. Could it be possible that he may soon come out of retirement to manage those hundreds of grievances that Sister Sachs was mentioning in her "Setting the Record Straight" document?

While on the subject of grievances, I have never in my 8 years as a Union Officer seen such a mess. Sister Caroline Langlois is on full-time release to administer the Level 11 grievances with the assistance of four full-time lawyers but the backlog has continued to rise anyway. Recently, Sister Sachs ordered that a number of grievances, which had already gone through Step II and should have been moved to arbitration, be moved back to Step II! Could that be the kind of stupidity that has led to the backlog? When an officer of the Union, particularly the supposed Component President, moves grievances heard at Level 2 back to Level 2, instead of moving them to Arbitration, you begin to understand why lawyers are needed and why there are delays. I also have to ask why the AC Component let nine dismissal grievances from Canadian members sit since March 2002, and then at the last minute, with three weeks before the arbitration hearing on January, 2003, (three weeks over the holiday season) had the gall to send them to the Canadian Transition Committee to deal with.

Is this reflective of competent service of the membership or the proper use of hundreds of thousands of dollars or so that we spend on our in-house law firm? In any Union I want to be part of, that is totally unacceptable.

As for lawyers, we all know that that there is absolutely a need and a place for them, however, they should be hired, following consultation with the Component Executive who happen to represent the membership locals across the country. They should be used to interpret and assist in legal matters. At the end of the day, if they are competent and reliable and are an asset to the Union, why wouldn’t the Union use lawyers? Yet, I have seen too many of these lawyers answering e-mails, taking minutes of meetings (when we have a Component Secretary-Treasurer who is supposed to be responsible for minutes) and filing grievances, a responsibility of the Component President and or her designates. What have the Component Officers been doing if all of their responsibilities are being delegated to very expensive hired help?

In closing, I would urge you to vote for the candidates that have the intellect and the Union principles that will take you into the future. The days of negativity and autocratic control have to be placed firmly behind us. Don’t let fear mongering and half truths cloud your judgment and remember always:

United we stand divided we fall.
In solidarity always,



Pat Cheung
Base President

This document was created and paid for by Pat Cheung

[ACstew]

Now is Pat as clear on all of this as she was on her position on the contract? You know......."As a member of the negotiating team that reached this deal, I recommend its ratification. Oh wait a minute! I have now realised that I might lose the next election if I continue to support it. Changed my mind! Now I want you to vote against it!".

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Pat had her reasons for changing her stand on the contract vote and they had nothing to do with any thoughts of future elction outcomes - and YOU know that. You can continue to twist and turn words in the hopes that someone will make the purchase. Know this, the truth about Pam and Richard is emerging and there will be nothing anyone can do to stop it. It's been a long time coming...sit back and enjoy the ride. Some of you may want to hold on tight.

[ACstew]

No, DMS, I DON'T know that Pat's abrupt about-face on the TA had nothing to do with thoughts of future election outcomes. If they didn't, then perhaps she simply doesn't know whether she's coming or going.

You're right about the truth being out about P&R. The view of most of the OAC (and thus most of the membership) is that they have done an excellent job of protecting our seniority since the takeover, have achieved a favourable contract for us, and thus deserve to be re-elected. That's the truth that matters to most of us as we vote.

[CRMOAC]

I am amoung many OAC members who clearly see P&R for the unscrupulous individuals that they are. The truth is that they may get re-elected because of thier underhandedness and that will be a sad day indeed. :frown_2:

[dartagnan]

Just a comment about the renovations at the CUPE office, If I remember well, they went ahead with these renovations in order to put a stop to the amount of theft/vandalism and espionage going on at Atwell Drive. Sensitive information was not secure and it was time to finally do an overhaul. You cant always ask the members for a permission on every action. Valuable time would be lost giving the thieves a chance to do more damage. These renovation were not meant to shut out X-Cail members... Unless of course these members were not beyond reproach... But this is highly unlikely... I could not (and woulld not) beleive my Brothers and Sisters from Cail would actually be able to commit such acts... It was most probably an outside job...

oh, and by the way CRMOAC I would not say there is many OAC against P & R... A few misguided people yes... But not many!

[CRMOAC]

If these so called allegations of yours were true. Where did you get this information and why wasn't the membership informed??? This is a serious allegation and should have been brought to the attention of the membership if it is indeed true.
Unless you have proof to back up this story you have no basis for posting such things. The members perhaps do not have to be asked before making such decisions...they do have the right to be informed. It is a question of being forthright to the members and that has not been happening and you have made that point clear in your post.

Oh, and by the way Dartagnon, you would be surprised how many OAC have seen P&R for who they are. Not everyone is blinded by the propaganda they and their minions have endevoured to spread.

[werkurb]

I am compelled to address the misrepresentations Sister Pat Cheung's has created in her post. Raising this kind of allegation on Crewstart is inappropriate, and many of her allegations are unfounded.

Perhaps the most disturbing is the public display of her incompetence as a union executive by not raising her concerns in meetings where her questions could be addressed.

More specifically - The responsibility for the budget falls under the duties of Component Secretary-Treasurer. If any member of the Component Executive, including Sister Cheung, thinks that there is some wrong doing, then it should be raised and cleared up at the Component Executive meeting.

Your own budget has been in question lately, so perhaps its best you tidy up at home first before casting stones.

You publicly criticize Sister Sachs and Brother Nolan to what benefit? Your own political campaign?

You raise a question about committee chairs. Sister Cheung you must remember that the chairs of these committees were set up prior to having a mid-year election. If the people in place were doing a good job why would you remove them mid-way through their appointment?

The Employee Assistance Program. As you will recall at a meeting in YYZ with leaders from other Air Canada unions -- you blew a gasket because the Component wanted to hear what the other unions were doing. Sharing information on EAP programs that the company wants to implement with all unions has value. I still cannot understand your resistance or rush.

Toronto does have problems. A lot of people from both sides have fueled this situation. But it is only through a joint effort by both groups that it will come together, and it will!

The reference you make about the YYZ delegate elections and procedural inconsistencies may be clear to you as a seasoned union officer. But, then why would you support the seating of 17 non-elected delegates at the convention when you knew full well that it was a procedural inconsistency?

The reference you make to Brother DiGulio and The Airline Division By-Law came from the former CAIL group and the addition of retroactively also came from the same group. Yes, we now know that it was not receivable, but I guarantee that this resolution had many hours of discussion prior to the convention. So it was not as easy to dismiss as you say. The same subject came up across the system. I am certain that if it had made the floor at convention it would have been passed. Just some clarification on who attended this same meeting. Sister Sachs and Brother Nolan did not. I was present and can verify this to be correct.

Brother Sprugnoli has spoken the truth and you have a problem with this, why? He simply called a spade a spade. He is right, I would rather have Pam, Richard and Claire represent me considering the job the previous CAIL Component did or rather did not do. Stop blaming Air Canada members and union officers for your shortcomings.

The lawyers that are retained by the component are monies well spent. If you suggest that some one else's work has crossed their desk and they did it, well, I call that teamwork. I have seen the work they are doing for our membership, and I endorse it fully.

It is against the law to spend union funds without proper approval. Did you obtain approval from your local in YVR to spend union dues on campaign funds? You requested that your local be reimbursed for campaign funds used during the last VP election, which I see as being a violation. What about your private secretary? Was that approved by the local membership? Funny, you are the only local that has one.

The best for last. "THE WALL" that divides The Air Canada Component from The Division serves its purpose of privacy and security, nothing more. Please share with us the reason why you neglected to mention why you are not sharing space in Vancouver with The Division. A personal choice and who cares, YYZ divided by a door and YVR divided by 4 or 5 offices. As long as the work is being done what's the issue?

In closing, I trust that people will realize that Pam, Richard and Claire are the right choice for the future and for all members. Yes, there are many members who disagree with the Seniority Issue. This is a contentious issue for almost every member. But it is not the sole issue! The track record of our current component leaders speaks for itself. The majority voted in favor of the most recent collective agreement. Remember who got you there.

Signed Steve Morash, a member in good standing.

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Raising this kind of allegation on Crewstart is inappropriate, and many of her allegations are unfounded.




Was posting the Sprugnoli letter on Crewstart appropriate? Guess who sent it out with instructions for it to be posted.

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Perhaps the most disturbing is the public display of her incompetence as a union executive by not raising her concerns in meetings where her questions could be addressed



As Airline Division President, Mr. Morash, was it your mandate to attend all AC Component meetings? What do you really know about what went on at meetings you haven't even attended? You know Pat well and, with that, understand that Pat is not afraid to ask pertinent questions and to speak her mind.

[Was_Moeman]

Has anybody else noticed that DMS and ootb and others will "read" a post, pick one sentence out of it, and try to deflect the attention from what the rest of it actually says? I'd love to read a book review by one of these guys. "On page 158, the author says blah blah blah, and so this book sucks!" :grin: . I guess we can look at it another way though. By only picking one or two lines and trying to make it an issue, we can assume that they agree with the other 99% of the post. :wink_2:

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Your own budget has been in question lately, so perhaps its best you tidy up at home first before casting stones



Would you like to see the mess left behind from the previous YVR leaders?

Yes, a small group has, based on rumours, started questioning the budget in yvr. Some of them believe a union office representing over 800 people can and should be run on company property or out of the tiny office space provided in company paid space at the airport, and with a key to the door that sits conveniently in a drawer of a managers desk.

The local is still trying to locate a $2000.00 + desk purchased by the former OAC local (with union funds). How do you lose a desk? The local has being trying to locate the desk as part of an inventory they are trying to complete. Has anyone seen it?

Pat makes every attempt to minimize the cost of office equipment. Many pieces were purchased at auction. A certain fellow who has taken it upon himself to try and expose the notion of budget irregularities at the yvr local has been invited on several occasions to come and have a look. Unfortunately, he finds the office too far away and seems to have been just too busy to find out there's nothing there to support his rumour based claims.

At least the local has a budget...

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Was,
If you recall, I think I picked more than just "one or two lines" from the Sprugnoli letter for critique.

Anyway, I was in the process of working my way through the above 'crie du coeur' when you interrupted my train of thought. :grin: Now where was I...

Oh yes... I was going to finsh off with a quote from our beloved leader...er, ah, "I disagree" oh yes, and "You're misinformed" (R could you handle this one for me)

Sorry Was, I know you are anxiously awaiting a debunking of the Morash letter, I'll have to finish that one up shortly. The warden has started rationing my time on Crewstart. Yikes, I hear footsteps coming down the hall... :blush:

[dartagnan]

DMS, So now you admit that sprugnoli actually wrote the letter. I remember you saying he could not have possibly written the letter and now you seem to know who sent the instructions to have it posted here... Hummm I wonder who is being dishonest here...

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Dart,
You may have me confused with some of the others who thought Sprugs couldn't have possibly written that letter. If you look back through my post history, I had some initial doubts, as I recall, but I never categorically stated that he was not the true author. I have no doubt of its authenticity and I have no doubt of through who's direction it was disseminated.

You are right about one thing... It is very difficult to detect sarcasm in the written word on this forum. I guess it's true what they say about body language and facial expression conveying most of the message. Oh Oh Here come those foot steps again.... :confus_2:

[dartagnan]

Sorry... I thought you had said (I have not actually look at the other threads yet) It could not be him because of the writting style and all... If I made a mistake, I apologise...

[bridget74]

You are right about one thing... It is very difficult to detect sarcasm in the written word on this forum. I guess it's true what they say about body language and facial expression conveying most of the message.

DMS, that might be the most insightful thing I've seen posted on this forum in a long time. :smile_2: And I'm not being sarcastic about that!

[CRMOAC]

Has anyone else noticed lately that when DMS or other well informed members of this forum find untruths in some posts and endeavour to set the record straigt, good ol' Was Moeman lacking any qualitative response, resorts to such pettyness as:

"DMS and ootb and others will "read" a post, pick one sentence out of it, and try to deflect the attention from what the rest of it actually says?"

Regardless of the quantity of truths within a statement, if there are untruths how ever many, they have a right to expose them. This forum is about discussion and debate. From my experience as far back as high school in debate club, that is exactly what we were encouraged to do and if you have ever witnessed political debates or even radio talk show debates you would understand this.

[dartagnan]

And Mr. OAC comes to the rescue of the x-cail ideology... Very transparent indeed!

[CRMOAC]

The only one who needs rescuing around here is you Mr. Dartagnon as you continually sink yourself further into the mud with you useless/baseless allegations.

[dartagnan]

Yeah the mud you are throwing at me and my colleagues :blush:... I know... very dirty indeed :tongue_2:. Go ahead pm me with your real name I will respect you... Just like I really respect Martin for is good intentions. I will tell the world you are in fact OAC and that I was mistaken... This is a promess. I will not disclose your real name on this forum and then you would gain some credibility... Deal? I dont think woul will go for it... You will come up with an excuse just like all the other people I have uncovered in the past...

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

A Continuation

of

Setting the Record Straighter



February 16th, 2003


Dear Brother Morash


To begin, I would like to clarify the issue of my correspondence being
posted on crewstart. I do not frequent this site and was not responsible
for the recent posting of my material.


I find it interesting that you have responded to my letter and wonder what
possible motivation you have in promoting Sister Sachs, Brother Nolan and
Sister Renaud? Having known you for years I must say it comes as complete
shock!


Prior to your recent appointments to Airline Division Secretary Treasurer
and Airline Division President, you were appointed to the position of WIP
Administrator for the Airline Division of CUPE. Brother Morash, the members
will be most interested to know that just days prior to the New Airline
Division President taking office, you successfully lobbied to have the WIP
program removed from the Airline Division umbrella and moved under the Air
Canada Component umbrella. I believe that a full time paid position for the
administrator (possibly yourself) was arranged prior to moving the program
to the Component. I bring this to your attention because the issue to
withdraw the WIP program from the Division and transfer its administration
to the Air Canada Component was never discussed at any time by the members
of the Air Canada Component Executive (of which you are not a member).
Rather it was hastily pushed through at an ad hoc Airline Division Council
meeting. The Base Presidents were finally advised after it had all been
transferred lock, stock and barrel. Patronage appointments have now
reached a new level within our structure. Why am I not surprised that you
now support the Pam/Richard/Claire team. Should your campaign to have them
re-elected be unsuccessful, would the unilateral changes to the WIP
administration also be the subject of review?


As for Brother Sprugnoli, his version of the truth has always been just
that: his version, and always retrospectively and in this case, after
retirement and a buy-out package.


The statement you made alleging that I supported a motion to seat the 17 YYZ
delegates is patently false and as all conference proceedings are properly
recorded, the proof is on record. How can you make such false statements in
light of the fact that you were acting Division President during the
Conference? In fact you presided over the entire conference and were well
aware of the results of votes on each motion presented. But your motives
for deceiving the membership in this instance are clearly designed to
influence the Component elections. It does not matter if, after you have
succeeded in influencing the elections, you are found out because the end
justifies the means, doesn't it? Who cares about honesty and integrity as
long as you accomplish your goal? Shame on you.


You have proclaimed that if the retroactive date of hire resolution had come
to the convention floor, you are certain it would have been carried. In the
same paragraph you state and I quote "Yes, we now know that it was not
receivable". Make up your mind. This is another example of how little you
understand the issues you claim to have knowledge of.


The issue of the Component Budget has been raised both verbally and in
writing and has also been raised at Local meetings. There has not been a
properly constituted Air Canada Component Executive meeting since the
merging of the two Components. One need not take my word for it; one need
only ask other members of the Component Executive or better yet, ask for a
copy of the approved budget for the New Air Canada Component.


Brother Morash, no matter what tactics you try to use to divert the
attention away from the issues I have raised in my letter, the reality of
the former Component administration remains.



Patricia Cheung

President, Local 4094

Airline Division of CUPE

[werkurb]

Sister Cheung

You must be the Dragon Myth Slayer !! Why else as you say you are not responsible for any such postings or are you? You e-mailed me yesterday and I noted that no other person was on the address, but yet your e-mail found its way on this site through yourself or someone who has no backbone to come "out of the closet" and sign a name to the comment.

However, as in your previous letter you do not have all the facts.
While you are protecting yourself you seem to have left out some very important questions I have asked, and you speak of tactics to divert!
I will not participate in your cat and mouse chase, but I will disclose what ever information I need to, and information I acn back up.

Have a nice day - who ever does your crewstart material should really stay out of your affairs.

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Brother Steve,
Some call me Dragon and some call me Dragoon. It is the myths of the Dragoon that constitute the Slayers prey and, in this case the latter moniker would apply.

Moving on, I can assure you and all lurkers and participants that I am most definitely, undoubtedly, indubitably not Sister Pat.

Why should I sign my name to comments that are not of my own production? The letter was signed by its author as is plain to see.

I know of only two posters on this forum who have revealed their true identities. That is their perogative as much as it is the perogative of others to remain anonymous. I can assure you my backbone is strong; I can push a fully loaded trolly all the way from the back to the front of a 747. It's been a while since you've had to do that hasn't it? But, I digress; in the absence of any urgency to change, I am content to continue my participation on this forum in the staus quo.

You are welcome to disclose what ever you wish on this forum (within the parameters of the rules of course); Excalibur and I look forward to see what you've got.

As for cat and mouse games, the first letter from Sister Pat was in wide circulation by the time I received it and it was my decision to post it. No one and I mean that... NO ONE told me or asked me to post it; and the same goes for the rebuttal letter. I did forward your post to Sister Pat to ensure she saw it and I requested her comments. I received the same mass email distribution as everyone else on a certain email list; much like the R.S. one, only less inuendo and mudslinging.

As for staying out of Sister Pat's Union business; I have a right and I believe a duty as a Union member to keep myself informed and to be an active participating member. I should think the leaders within our organization would like and should expect nothing less from its members. You can not chatise people for providing information for consideration by the membership if you condone the distribution of such propaganda as the Sprugnoli letter and the Sean Smith letter.

The membership has a right and should know about your up-coming patronage appointment, should they not? Perhaps you would care to take a moment and explain how that works for us. Could you also clarify whether or not there's a similar appointment waiting for Mr. Sprugnoli? There's this rumour going around you know. How about if we knock those two off the rumour board?

Sorry Steve, as long as I'm paying dues to this organization, your business is my business.

You have a nice day now,

DMS

[dartagnan]

I did find as well they had very similar writting styles brother Morash... Long and very well researched writting style with exemplary vocabulary... I always suspected DMS to have some kind of connection to the x-cail union officers. Why else would DMS post NewHorizons bulletins and letters from component officials... Everyone knows there is not much love between Pat Cheung and Pam & Richard. DMS does not care too much about them either... DMS openly supports Sheena et al. DMS always seemed to know a lot of inside information the rest of the membership are not privy to. It is not a certitude but a true possibility That DMS could be PAt... Who knows... This new info really makes you think that this arena is a boxing ring for component officials to be able to unwind while still being able to stay anonymous... Thus the animosity when someone questions another persons loyalty to the other group... With that in mind maybe I was mistaken and CRMOAC is really OAC... Maybe it's Tom Slade entering the ring... Who knows!

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

Long and very well researched writting style with exemplary vocabulary...

I guess the money I spent getting a university degree was worth it after all. Thanks.


I always suspected DMS to have some kind of connection to the x-cail union officers. Why else would DMS post NewHorizons bulletins and letters from component officials...

I'm not the only one who receives New Horizons; I happen to find it very insightful and an interesting read; especially the readers forum. I pass it on for others to read with the same courtesy intent of others who pass on newpaper articles. Does that make me connected to the union execs? The same goes for letters that are openly distributed from union members. I read almost everything that comes my way...I even read the eyeglazer Horizons published by the Company.


DMS does not care too much about them either... DMS openly supports Sheena et al.

BINGO you got that one right. Pat likes peanut butter too - does that make me her?


DMS always seemed to know a lot of inside information the rest of the membership are not privy to.

It is no secret that the ex-cail was more active and informed especially given the turmoil we went through over the years. We had to "look the devil in the eye" on many occassions. Like I said, I read everything, especially as it relates to my job and union. I can assure you, I have no more direct-line to info than anyone else; I simply attend meetings, ask questions, and read everything.


It is not a certitude but a true possibility That DMS could be PAt... Who knows... This new info really makes you think that this arena is a boxing ring for component officials to be able to unwind while still being able to stay anonymous... Thus the animosity when someone questions another persons loyalty to the other group... With that in mind maybe I was mistaken and CRMOAC is really OAC... Maybe it's Tom Slade entering the ring... Who knows!

I am not Pat! Do you really think she has the time to sit at her computer reading this forum and drafting over 300 posts...(geez, I need to get a life) Dart, let's not start another p***ing match about identities. I know Tom Slade and highly doubt he is CRMOAC, and I don't care if he is. The issues are what I'm interested in.

For the record, I am not nor have I ever held a positon as a union officer. If the unity team-- Sheena/Tom/Martin--get elected, I am seriously considering running for a Vice President position in Vancouver. Next stop...THE PRESIDENCY! :grin: :grin: :windsock:

[dartagnan]

You know what DMS... CRMOAC and I have recently been warned by Bridget74 not to start another P**sing match. So you have nothing to worry about, I have no intentions of being banned... Now that you mention it... Maybe I need to get a life too. Writting on this forum really takes up a lot of time. Anyway, everybody knows where I stand. I will keep on voicing my opinions and try to make the thruth shine within the mountains of lies and speculation propagated on this forum. It as always been my mandate and the reason I am here! Have a good day... By the way DMS, I am serious when I say you have a great writting style indeed. It is always a pleasure to debate with you... Eventhough I dont agree with you most of the time.

[DRAGOON_MYTH_SLAYER]

The "mountains" I've been trying to shine some truth over cast some pretty big shadows from where I sit too.

"life ain't been no crystal staircase, but I's still climbin'" -Langston Hughes.

Cheers,
DMS :smile_2:

[TaleFinn]

Propaganda? Minions?

Jeez, I feel like I'm back in the Middle Ages ....

For Pete's sake, even I heard about vandalism and sabotage at Attwell Drive, and that was back whenI was still an ostrich! Now that I've been awakened, I've heard lots more, and seen even more! P&R did what needed doing at the time - more power to them. They were acting in the best interests of their membership, as were the CP component executive at the time. Let the past be bygone. Time to grow up - all of us - and embrace the present and the future.

[TaleFinn]

Hey Moeman --

This is a time honoured and well used literary and legal device to derail arguments point by point. I appreciate your criticism of it, but most people I think will read the entire document and not accept one editorial selection as representative of the entire concept or idea.

At least I don't. But thanks for highlighting it anyway!

Rgds, - TF

[flighty]

Unlike a big business, the union is spending "the members money". We are the owners of this organization.

Except for things that were negotiated into the agreement, such as blocking representatives, etc, and things that are spelled out in the by-laws or constitution of the union, every other cent spent requires committee approval. If it was a real emergency, then is could have been approved retroactively. Based on Pat's letter, the matter was never put before the committee.

If the council met as often as stated in Pam's election and negotiations statements, Pam had many opportunities to bring up the matter and have it debated and then duly approved or denied. Otherwise, just like a charity or condo committee, no one is permitted to just spend any money without some form of committee approval. It is the only way to protect members against those who think the office should be in or look like the Ritz Hotel, and prevents officers from travelling at full rate first class fare, staying in a hotel room while at home city, or treating themselves to a big posh dinner, because they determine the deserve more than the daily per-diems.

If the theft allegations were heard of many years ago, then it is irresponsible, as guardians of OUR papers, records and equipment, that the officers did not fix this sooner. Individual offices at Atwell Drive have locks, so anything left outside of offices was also irresponsible handling of documents on our behalf.

I would rather have cumbersome steps to get approval to spend one cent rather than have a potential dictator decide to blow what ever amounts of $$$ on things not everyone else would agree is needed. That is why the structure makes the whole committee decide. 10 heads are better than 1 and is required under our union rules.

Any other way is misusing my funds......

It looks like Pat has decided that once mud slinging and negative campaigning started, it was time to take off the gloves and let the members know that the leadership is running the place without using the built in safeguards.

I agree, why wait till now, but it will need follow up. She may have only found out about these expenditures long after the fact. If it was never brought up at the meeting, the question then is was it purposefully hidden?

If money has been spent without the proper approvals by the proper committee members, then it is time to take this in hand, get the needed approvals and then do it right. If they spent money that can not be approved, or is beyond the jurisdiction of the three officers, then they should be called to account, and charged if necessary.

Access to dues is a very seducive area and long standing controls are in place to make sure our cash and intersts are cross checked. If the officers are ignoring the procedures designed to protect our money, they should be removed. It is not a love or hate thing, it is called responsible financial leadership, following the rules and keeping it all on the up and up. Anything less is autocracy, or theft.