Chinese Visa needed for HKG

[CALFLYBOY]

Ok you just contradicted yourself. Yes they do provide us with duty items. They just make us pay for the replacement of duty items(and I don't agree with this policy either). We are provided with a manuals, keys, wings, and that star alliance pins.

Originally Posted by pptp

The company doesn't provide us with ANY duty items. They only administrate the few that they are forced to do so and pay for just the passport. Put it this way, if you lost any of your duty items, would the company pay to replace them? Not a one. Ok, the star alliance pin.

[PeanutsOrPretzelsRedux]

You are not required to be internationally based. It is a choice. Thus the responsibility of all things incurred being based in NTA, HTA, HOS....blah blah. That was the answer I was given when I asked inflight.

[MOOSE]

Can I skip 737 training, since I am international ?

I will ask inflite, since they would never give the wrong answer.

[CALFLYBOY]

Regardless of choices, if the company wants to ensure each and every intl. based FA is with necessary visas, then they need to do more in helping us obtain them, otherwise lay off the MT's and discipline.

Originally Posted by PeanutsOrPretzelsRedux

You are not required to be internationally based. It is a choice. Thus the responsibility of all things incurred being based in NTA, HTA, HOS....blah blah. That was the answer I was given when I asked inflight.

[airmat]

Can I skip 737 training, since I am international ?

No, but I can skip 777 if domestic.

Originally Posted by CALFLYBOY

Regardless of choices, if the company wants to ensure each and every intl. based FA is with necessary visas, then they need to do more in helping us obtain them, otherwise lay off the MT's and discipline.

So the company treats us like adults for a timeframe. They don't check required duty items and some of us get lazy and in the end don't have them. You want to reward the lazy ones? The company does the right thing and WE are the the ones who screw it up and you blame the company?

Oh I guess since some other airline wipes their Fa's buttocks, that's an excuse. Can we be adults and follow the rules without the company oversite? Guess not and we get what we deserve.

[CALFLYBOY]

Considering I'm spending at least 4 UNPAID hours of my personal time, if not more, at a personal expense of a $170 every two years? You're damned right I want my ass wiped by the company. I want my ass wiped by some nice smelling, warmed, wet wipes while they're at it!

You want a visa in my passport? Then take the damned thing when I'm on a couple of days off, get the visa, and return the passport to me when I check in for my next trip.

Meanwhile, I find it unconscionable that the company has given MT's and discipline to FA's because they have not spent their personal unpaid time at their expense initially to get a "required" duty item to fly international.

Take your personal accountability and wipe your ass with it!

Originally Posted by airmat

No, but I can skip 777 if domestic.




So the company treats us like adults for a timeframe. They don't check required duty items and some of us get lazy and in the end don't have them. You want to reward the lazy ones? The company does the right thing and WE are the the ones who screw it up and you blame the company?

Oh I guess since some other airline wipes their Fa's buttocks, that's an excuse. Can we be adults and follow the rules without the company oversite? Guess not and we get what we deserve.

[airmat]

Originally Posted by CALFLYBOY

Considering I'm spending at least 4 UNPAID hours of my personal time, if not more, at a personal expense of a $170 every two years? You're damned right I want my ass wiped by the company. I want my ass wiped by some nice smelling, warmed, wet wipes while they're at it!

You want a visa in my passport? Then take the damned thing when I'm on a couple of days off, get the visa, and return the passport to me when I check in for my next trip.

Meanwhile, I find it unconscionable that the company has given MT's and discipline to FA's because they have not spent their personal unpaid time at their expense initially to get a "required" duty item to fly international.

Take your personal accountability and wipe your ass with it!

Oh, 4 hours every 2 years... or more. Well if you are not wanting to do this there is always domestic. I guess the pilots have a company issued limo to get their medical every 6 months.

Come on, the company gave us a pass and we could not act like adults. What is wrong with the company cracking down on those too lazy to keep the required items? When we act like adults maybe we can be treated as such.

I might spend 4 hours combined over every two years getting uniforms and batteries for my flashlight, alarm clock, watch, revisions, passport... all unpaid. But you draw the line that it is unreasonalble for us to be adult enough to get a visa every 2 years without the company holding our hand? The company should pass on those unable or unwilling to have this duty item, then what's next? The company did not insert my revision, or give me a flashlight, or dress me today. When did the company issue wipes?

When can we grow up?

[CALFLYBOY]

Better yet, when can the company can treat my time as precious as theirs? Pay me, or take care of it for me. Meanwhile, no discipline because someone does not have a visa for a trip they don't fly.

Originally Posted by airmat

When can we grow up?

[airmat]

So at your airline required duty items are, not so much. You are required to have a visa to be in the base in case you are reassigned. Paris is going illegal, what only those who were adult enough to have the visa's are subject to work. So much for seniority.

Domestic FA's are required to have passports. Gasp, even if we are not "scheduled" to leave the country. Why would this be different? How about a flashlight when I only do day turns? Why have the 777 section in my manual if I am not qualified? I don't need the 737 sections if I only bid 757.

I am pretty sure they knew the visa was required to be in the base. Why you defend those who are too lazy to take care of their required items? They make the rest of us look bad, and reinforces the companies idea that we all must be monitered like children.

[CALFLYBOY]

All you do is reinforce poor management philosophy. When was the last time you bought a $170 flashlight at a place that's located in a few American cities???

Originally Posted by airmat

So at your airline required duty items are, not so much. You are required to have a visa to be in the base in case you are reassigned. Paris is going illegal, what only those who were adult enough to have the visa's are subject to work. So much for seniority.

Domestic FA's are required to have passports. Gasp, even if we are not "scheduled" to leave the country. Why would this be different? How about a flashlight when I only do day turns? Why have the 777 section in my manual if I am not qualified? I don't need the 737 sections if I only bid 757.

I am pretty sure they knew the visa was required to be in the base. Why you defend those who are too lazy to take care of their required items? They make the rest of us look bad, and reinforces the companies idea that we all must be monitered like children.